Werthead Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 The CW apparently will not develop a single pilot for 2023-24 so yup, it looks dead in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) I'd say HBO is the next best bet, with them removing underperforming content they own off their streaming platform, it's not clear at all what they're adding. They've more than doubled the budget for producing more content, $2.5 billion to $5.3billion. DCU shows could take up 10% of that at worst. Edited February 5 by SpaceChampion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I'd say HBO fucking around with its content and selling stuff off, that would be far too unstable an environment to put B5 in. Maybe if actual HBO really went all-in on it, maybe. I'm back to thinking Netflix or Amazon buying the rights from WB might be the most likely outcome (and that not being very likely at all). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Risky, unstable platforms is B5's bread and butter! It's tradition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) Quote Babylon 5 Update: 2/7/23 There’s been a lot of talk and chatter about how the Babylon 5 reimagining must be dead because there’s been no new news in a while, taking silence as “it’s dead” and repeating that information online to anyone within range. The only problem with that, is that it ain’t so. Not in any sense that matters. Here’s the heart-meat core of it. Every year, networks and streamers develop tons of pilot scripts, and a smaller parcel of produced pilots, only a small fraction of which cross the finish line into being ordered as series. For those that don’t get ordered, this is what happens: The network or streamer calls the writer/producer, or that person’s agent, and tells them. I’ve gotten that call plenty of times over the years. That call has not come. Networks and streamers don’t just make a decision not to pick something up, and then not tell anyone. I’ve been in the television business for longer than there have been clouds, and I’ve never seen that happen. I’ve never even heard of it happening. If they pick up the project, they call; if they don’t pick up the project, they call. Again, they’re not shy about making that call: it gets done every day, every week, every month, every year. It’s real simple: “Joe, listen, we loved the script but we couldn’t make the deal/money/schedule work, so we’re going to have to pass, but please be sure to bring us something else next development cycle.” Click, disconnect, move on. Easy-peasy, no harm, no foul, nature of the biz. And my very next act, within the minute, would be to post the information to everyone reading this, because that’s also a part of the process. But again: that call has not come. Not to me, my agent, or my attorney. Not to nobody. Does this mean B5 is going to happen? No. Does this mean it’s not going to happen? No. ALL it means is that there are still discussions going on far above my pay grade, and that there’s an agenda or a purpose that I’m not privy to. Could that no-go call come tomorrow? Sure, and that would be ridiculously sad. Could the pickup call come tomorrow? Sure, and that would be ridiculously great. But until then, Babylon 5 is Schrodinger’s TV show, neither alive nor dead, until somebody, somewhere, opens the box, looks inside to tell the tale, and calls me or my agent to say what they saw. Silence out here means there’s conversation happening in there, and for my money, that’s a good thing. Meanwhile: we wait. More as I know it. You have my word. JMS from https://www.patreon.com/posts/78392748 Edited February 9 by SpaceChampion Arakasi and Calibandar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 20 hours ago, SpaceChampion said: from https://www.patreon.com/posts/78392748 He's being disingenuous (not, it has to be said, for the first time). Possibly because of NDAs and contractual obligations not to say yay or nay about anything before the official line comes out, so fair enough. If The CW is not commissioning any drama pilots for 2023/24, if it's only planning to renew 3 of its existing dramas, if it has gutted the entire drama commissioning department including firing the two people in charge and hiring replacements specifically to work on reality shows instead as part of a company-wide pivot to cheaper programming, it's pretty incredible to believe that they will also just commission this pretty expensive, massive new drama project for the sheer hell of it. The B5 reboot may well happen, and I'll be surprised if we go another 20 years without it happening, somewhere, with or without JMS in charge, but it's almost certainly not happening at the CW this year. If they thread the needle and it gets picked up, it'd be a far more unlikely event than the OG show getting picked up in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I think everything he says is factually true. CW has not told him anything about the reboot, and presumably when they do he'll follow through and tell people as soon as possible. IF they had told him it was dead, but contracts and NDAs required him to hold off saying anything... well, why would he post what he posted if in a week or a month they'll reveal it was killed by the time he posted? It's absolutely true that he's ignoring the fact that there is "news" in terms of moves CW is making that must have an impact on the reboot, but at the same time if they are basically freezing their development slate, that still means that the B5 reboot is in the mix even if it won't be until 2024 at the earliest that they make an official decision. And sure, it seems very likely it won't go anywhere, but as you say, an unlikely event is not an impossible one. Stranger things have happened. (To be honest, the bad news part of it is that their sitting on it for another year both diminishes the odds they'll pick it up... and kills any momentum JMS tried to get by managing to get B5 trending on Twitter and so on, so diminishing its odds when shopping it elsewhere.) SpaceChampion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Midjourney-generated B5 if it has been made during the ST:TOS era: Bester, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) Hmmm.... Last week: Today: JMS having business meetings... So an near as I can figure, on March 3rd or 4th JMS mentioned on his Patreon page that he had a call with WB who said they're going ahead with the new B5, though CW had officially passed on the opportunity. https://twitter.com/Grey17Podcast/status/1632006666479648771?s=20 The six weeks quote indicates May 1st as a possible pre-production start date, if whatever he's talking about is a tv series. And this guys says the rumours are for Apple+: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTgOGzx9Wvc Edited March 28 by SpaceChampion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, SpaceChampion said: Hmmm.... Last week: Today: JMS having business meetings... So an near as I can figure, on March 3rd or 4th JMS mentioned on his Patreon page that he had a call with WB who said they're going ahead with the new B5, though CW had officially passed on the opportunity. https://twitter.com/Grey17Podcast/status/1632006666479648771?s=20 The six weeks quote indicates May 1st as a possible pre-production start date, if whatever he's talking about is a tv series. And this guys says the rumours are for Apple+: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTgOGzx9Wvc I have to say… I’ve enjoyed a fair bit of what I’ve watched on Apple+, Severance, Ted Lasso, The Essex Serpent, Shrinking, and The Reluctant Traveler so… if a B5 ReBoot ends up there… cool. SpaceChampion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Not sure I buy that Apple+ angle. Apple+ has already invested in big SF dramas, even if it didn't quite work out so far. I hear For All Mankind is decent, but definitely not a huge show. Wouldn't HBO Max or whatever the service becomes also be in need of a big SF show? House of the Dragon services the fantasy need, and is in direct competition with Rings of Power and others like them. Unless James Gunn's DCU is going to be good enough for that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 hours ago, Corvinus85 said: Wouldn't HBO Max or whatever the service becomes also be in need of a big SF show? How about a reboot of Lexx? Come on, you know we all want it. We need it. We *deserve* it. Ran and Corvinus85 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I’ll believe this show is being made when I finally see it. I’ve been burned too many times already getting my hopes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 15 hours ago, Corvinus85 said: Not sure I buy that Apple+ angle. Apple+ has already invested in big SF dramas, even if it didn't quite work out so far. I hear For All Mankind is decent, but definitely not a huge show. Wouldn't HBO Max or whatever the service becomes also be in need of a big SF show? House of the Dragon services the fantasy need, and is in direct competition with Rings of Power and others like them. Unless James Gunn's DCU is going to be good enough for that part. HBO Max's environment is far too volatile at the moment. Core HBO would be better, but they're not interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) The project with the original cast has a logo. Best guess amongst choices that I'd most like to see, is for an animated show. Edited April 26 by SpaceChampion The hairy bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 A 30th anniversary documentary or maybe an audio drama seems likeliest to me. Animation is expensive. Corvinus85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 23 hours ago, Ran said: A 30th anniversary documentary or maybe an audio drama seems likeliest to me. Animation is expensive. Not sure a documentary merits ‘wonderful’. Especially with so many of the cast dead Mindwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Whatever it is, his Patreon subscribers already know, and apparently it is very cool. He was talking about animation writers today, that the WGA strike doesn't cover animation writers apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Corvinus85, The hairy bear, Ran and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Well, glad I was wrong. Will be very interesting to see concept art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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