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15 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

Idris Elba is far too old for Bond. They have to go with a younger Bond next time. Connery was only 32 when Dr. No came out in 1962, and Craig was not yet forty in 2006.

 

3 hours ago, Darryk said:

Well they could have Daniel Craig be a real James Bond but still have MI6 make the name an alias in his honor, or something.

I think Idris Elba would have been a great Bond in his time but is surely too old now. For a black Bond I'd go for Regé-Jean Page. If they just want someone who's not white I like Riz Ahmed as a candidate.

Elba is probably too old at this point. They could make it work if it was a two film deal, but they're probably not going in that direct. He could always be the next M though, assuming they're overhauling the cast. 

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21 hours ago, RumHam said:

They should at least try to keep it going with the new 007. Even if it's just a New Coke kinda thing so they can hype up bringing back Bond down the line. Do a movie centered on her and see how it does.

They've toyed with the idea of doing spin-offs in the past without doing one so this could be an opportunity to try it out. If Fast and the Furious can have spin-offs about supporting characters why not Bond?

I'd definitely give a film starring Lashana Lynch and Ana de Armas a chance.

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I'm definitely curious about what they will do with the franchise now.  Daniel Craig was far more a reboot than previous actor changes (he got his license to kill in Casino Royale) but they did keep Judi Dench for a few more movies.  Craig departed with a bang but a lot of questions!

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If they don't go with a white Bond, I'd prefer an Asian actor for the role. They are less visible in big blockbuster movies as badass characters than blacks actors.

But the key thing is that they do not go for a particularly popular/established actor.

 

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Got back a bit ago.  I will admit that I didn’t know Bond died until I read it here.  That’s what I get for trying to poke into a spoiler thread! :lol: 

I agree that the movie was overall a very good Bond film.  I would also agree that CR is a noticeable step above the other Craig movies but I’d put NTTD on the next rung with Skyfall.  QoS might be a hair above SPECTRE.  Agree that it’s a shame that they did not have the rights to the name SPECTRE when initially starting this reboot.  Quantum was very obviously a SPECTRE stand in.  The fantastic opera scene in QoS and the entire reveal would have been better if it could have been SPECTRE all along.

I also appreciated all the old film callbacks.  The volcano lair headquarters was a nice touch and Blofeld with the scar and missing eye was good.  My ears perked up with dread early on when he uttered the immortal words “We have all the time in the world.”  The movie was as noted above a nice inversion of On Her Majesty’s Secret Service.

I agree that it did need just a bit of juxtaposition about the goal of his ethnic cleansing.  I also get they probably should have cut out the little girl asking about two mosquito bites.  Clearly we are supposed to think that she has contracted the nanobot virus; but nothing is done with it.

The action set pieces were good and I agree that many of the guest stars had really stellar roles.

I’m a bit surprised it hasn’t been mentioned; but I’m legit stunned this movie ever got released.  Written and filmed in 2018-2019; ready to be released in the first half of 2020… the movie is essentially about a mysterious disease financed by a Western power in secret and produced in Asia that targets specific people with sudden fatal symptoms while seemingly leaving other people essentially untouched.    Ummmm… the timing might have been better if they could have released it in 2019.  :lol: 

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12 hours ago, Rhom said:

I’m a bit surprised it hasn’t been mentioned; but I’m legit stunned this movie ever got released.  Written and filmed in 2018-2019; ready to be released in the first half of 2020… the movie is essentially about a mysterious disease financed by a Western power in secret and produced in Asia that targets specific people with sudden fatal symptoms while seemingly leaving other people essentially untouched.    Ummmm… the timing might have been better if they could have released it in 2019.  :lol: 

It seems to me that it was supposed to be a virus and not nanobots, and that was changed in reshoots and editing. 

The evil lair was growing things, not very techy. And it make more sense for a virus to multiply than nanobots (not that I know anything about nanobots :dunno:)

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12 hours ago, Rhom said:

Got back a bit ago.  I will admit that I didn’t know Bond died until I read it here.  That’s what I get for trying to poke into a spoiler thread! :lol: 

I agree that the movie was overall a very good Bond film.  I would also agree that CR is a noticeable step above the other Craig movies but I’d put NTTD on the next rung with Skyfall.  QoS might be a hair above SPECTRE.  Agree that it’s a shame that they did not have the rights to the name SPECTRE when initially starting this reboot.  Quantum was very obviously a SPECTRE stand in.  The fantastic opera scene in QoS and the entire reveal would have been better if it could have been SPECTRE all along.

Yes, that would have worked much better ... as would have been if they had continued the story of Quantum/SPECTRE after the end of QoS (the original ending was a cliffhanger) to set up Blofeld as the shadowy villain in Skyfall. While Skyfall works great on a personal level with Bond and M, the villain is basically just on a revenge spree - effectively being the same guy we get in the new movie - and this whole idea of the new SPECTRE being a shady power broker society very much aligned with and rooted in the political and economical elite of the world could have worked very well. Not to mention that it could have helped to explain why Bond would eventually be forced to retire.

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23 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

 

Elba is probably too old at this point. They could make it work if it was a two film deal, but they're probably not going in that direct. He could always be the next M though, assuming they're overhauling the cast. 

I'd be surprised by a planned short-time Bond like that. Maybe the next Bond doesn't work out, but I assume the initial plan will be a long run. That's always been the goal of the Broccolis, it just didn't work out with Dalton or Lazenby.

So long as it's not Timothee Chalamet I'll be good. He's a fine actor, but he shows up in damn near everything the past couple years.

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2 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

Yes, that would have worked much better ... as would have been if they had continued the story of Quantum/SPECTRE after the end of QoS (the original ending was a cliffhanger) to set up Blofeld as the shadowy villain in Skyfall. While Skyfall works great on a personal level with Bond and M, the villain is basically just on a revenge spree - effectively being the same guy we get in the new movie - and this whole idea of the new SPECTRE being a shady power broker society very much aligned with and rooted in the political and economical elite of the world could have worked very well. Not to mention that it could have helped to explain why Bond would eventually be forced to retire.

I liked The Dark Bond Rises... I mean Skyfall... but my issue with it was that it seemed out of place in time.  They just rebooted Bond as a brand new agent in CR which directly continued into QoS.  Then we go to Skyfall and he is an old and broken down agent they are trying to put out to pasture.

As to the what they do next; I really don't know.  On the one hand, the standalone nature of the series worked well for the first 50ish years of the franchise.  On the other hand, serial storytelling in the cinema has never been more accepted than now.  But they definitely botched the attempt at a continuing story for Craig as Bond by not knowing what they would do or how.  Taking these five movies knowing what we do now, it would be very easy to go back and rearrange some of the story beats to make a cohesive story played out over five films; but that is a big commitment to ask from a studio.  

There also is a question that I think we discussed in the general Bond discussion thread over the years leading up to NTTD (back when there were rumors that Tom Hiddleston was cut from consideration because he was dating Taylor Swift!  :lol: ) what is Bond's place in the modern world?  NTTD did kind of address that I think.  But there are other aspects of the character that don't age as well.  My brother and I used to binge watch al the movies over summer/Christmas break from school.  At one point, we tracked the number of women Bond slept with in each movie.  I believe the average was something like 3.4 per movie.  Topping out at 5 in one film.  NTTD will definitely hurt that average since its only his wife he sleeps with!  :lol:  Old Bond would have hooked up with both the sexy CIA agent and the hard edged new 007.

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Oh, and since we talked about the callbacks to other Bond movies, I did like the paintings in the hallway outside of M's office of Judi Dench and Berdard Lee.  It took me a minute to notice, so I'm assuming that Robert Brown was up there somewhere too.

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Saw it in a packed theater (really. They've stopped leaving seats between reserved blocks here in Florida...) and really enjoyed it. It had everything that I enjoy in a Bond film.

I would say while Casino Royale was a love letter to Fleming's Bond, NTTD was a love letter to classic Bond films. Exotic locales, cool car chases, gadgets, Q and Moneypenny, everything. Really happy with it.

And I was unfortunately spoiled on the death by some idiot on Reddit last week... I sorta figured they would kill him off, but I would've preferred to have it confirmed in the theater. Like Tony and Steve in Endgame. I knew it was their last film, but didn't know how they would "retire".

I don't buy many movies on Blu-ray/Digital anymore, but I'll be picking up this one to finish off my Craig collection.

ETA: Also, I was amazed it was a Zimmer score. He really did a great job layering in classic Bond beats at the right moment. And I especially liked both the line "We have all the time in the world" being worked in twice and having the musical theme recur throughout. Nice touch.

My only gripe? Billie Elish's song. Just as forgettable on screen as it was on the radio. I'm just not that big of a fan of her voice.

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2 hours ago, Rhom said:

At one point, we tracked the number of women Bond slept with in each movie.  I believe the average was something like 3.4 per movie.  Topping out at 5 in one film.  NTTD will definitely hurt that average since its only his wife he sleeps with!  :lol:  Old Bond would have hooked up with both the sexy CIA agent and the hard edged new 007.

I have vague memories of an SNL sketch where bond goes to the doctor and learns he's riddle with STDs "some of which are normally only found in sharks" 

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2 hours ago, RumHam said:

I have vague memories of an SNL sketch where bond goes to the doctor and learns he's riddle with STDs "some of which are normally only found in sharks" 

Oh yeah, that line “Bond 19 has slipped its containment!” was a favorite of ours.  :lol: 

We had a buddy in school that got around entirely too much.  His last name was Edwards and the running joke was that E19 would end the world.

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6 hours ago, Fez said:

I'd be surprised by a planned short-time Bond like that. Maybe the next Bond doesn't work out, but I assume the initial plan will be a long run. That's always been the goal of the Broccolis, it just didn't work out with Dalton or Lazenby.

So long as it's not Timothee Chalamet I'll be good. He's a fine actor, but he shows up in damn near everything the past couple years.

We’ll have to wait and see. I think they first need to figure out if the next Bond will have an arc that caries over across the films like Craig’s or return to a series of movies that are only loosely connected.

4 hours ago, Myrddin said:

My only gripe? Billie Elish's song. Just as forgettable on screen as it was on the radio. I'm just not that big of a fan of her voice.

Counting me as another person who does not get why she's so popular. 

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Saw this earlier today, got to see it on an Imax screen which was lovely. I wish I liked the film as much as y'all in this thread have

I'll do the bad stuff first because it just really sticks out to me

1. It's hilarious that Craig has more chemistry with a photo of vesper than he does with Seydoux - Imo, I could never buy that relationship really given that the actors had zero chemistry with each other. Consequently, I just didn't care about the melodrama between him, his child and Seydoux, it was thoroughly uninteresting to me. So much of this film is stuff with Bond, ,her and the child an I could not care less what happened to the child or Seydoux.

2. I think Malik going from 'I want to kill spectre' ( something I understand) to his grand plan of 'I want to kill millions of people' is a little odd and muddled. I don't really get his motivation for wanting to do that. It's certainly not put well across the screen. Also, letting the kid go because....reasons?

3. The Russian scientist stuff was...not good. The humour didn't work for me and the less said about his motivations the better!

4. Bond's death - I feel like the movie was maybe reverse engineered from this point - like it *should* work, him dying, but tonally it just didn't feel earned because we needed this convoluted plot thing to get there and it therefore has little impact ( and also because I don't buy his relationship with Seydoux)

5. I think the second half of the movie is basically a drag, some scenes are good but I just found the second half thoroughly uninteresting.

Things I liked

1. The home invasion stuff with malik at the start is excellent an as is the first action scene - at that point I was like 'holy shit this could be he best bond movie'

2. Wright, Ana de armas & Lashana Lynch were all excellent.

3. I think Rami Malek had some real presence about him even though his character was a bit meh

4. The one shot was kinda cool!

5. The movie looks great and I think the action, by and large, is good.

Overall, because Seydoux & Bond are the emotional core of this film, I think I came away disappointed because they take up a lot of time and I honestly do not give a fuck about that relationship.

Like there are lots of good parts to the movie, but it's less than the sum of it's parts for me. I came away with isolated moments that I enjoyed but overall being disappointed given that I think Fukunaga is supremely talented and I expected more. I don't really have any desire to watch this film again, tbh.

Edit: The Billie Eilish song is excellent.

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11 hours ago, Raja said:

Edit: The Billie Eilish song is excellent.

No. Music is largely subjective, but objectively this is simply not good at all:

She's mumbling and sounds like she's strung out on heroin. I don't get why anyone likes this.

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8 minutes ago, Raja said:

You should have stopped here.

Nope. This is karaoke replacement level talent. Taylor Swift was mentioned upthread. I can say in the same breath that I'm not a fan of hers and also recognize she's talented and get why people like her. This ain't it. Again, she's mumbling and barely singing. When you can find someone off the street to do as good a job if not better your singer is simply not very good. And every song of hers I've listened to is basically just that. 

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2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

She's mumbling and sounds like she's strung out on heroin. I don't get why anyone likes this.

The musical cues with the chorus is promising ("I've told you one, told you twice -->no time to die") but the mumbling through the verses is too much.

It's like an extension of mumble rap that was everywhere for a while. I was happy when Travis Scott seemed to drop off the radar (after doing Fortnite tie in). Never thought I'd cheer Fortnite, but thanks for that!

(my sons used to play FN all the time. The TS tie in killed both their love of his music and for the game in one fair swoop! Double win!)

Ahem. Maybe I'm just to old to appreciate the music of the youth. 

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2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

No. Music is largely subjective, but objectively this is simply not good at all:

She's mumbling and sounds like she's strung out on heroin. I don't get why anyone likes this.

Ty is right. This is shite. Probably the worst Bond tune since that Chris Cornell bollocks.

But, yeah, I'm fifty-three. What the hecc do I know about this young-fangled music?

Mmmm. Can't wait to hear this at next year's Glasto as she desperately tries to pad out her headline set with a collection of shite b-sides and god knows what else.

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