Jaxom 1974 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Zorral said: August jobs report -- people quitting, quitting, quitting and not going back to jobs they were let go from either. Which contributes too to all sorts of bollox ups, from deliveries to manufacturing and warehouses. It's not just restaurants. It hasn't been just restaurants. It's restaurants, people involved with the supply chain, some areas of Healthcare, it's childcare and bus drivers...it's almost as if the areas where the job market is struggling is traditionally jobs that go along with making the lives of those who are rich/more well off easier are realizing that life they're being exploited worse off than they thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jaxom 1974 said: It hasn't been just restaurants. It's restaurants, people involved with the supply chain, some areas of Healthcare, it's childcare and bus drivers...it's almost as if the areas where the job market is struggling is traditionally jobs that go along with making the lives of those who are rich/more well off easier are realizing that life they're being exploited worse off than they thought... Beyond that too -- so many of these jobs were / are held by immigrants. And we know what's happened there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I think it's more likely to do with a very simple thing: women. Women are still dealing with not being able to find childcare. Women are still in general the primary caretakers in families. Women are still behind significantly when it comes to re-entering the workforce. And for a lot of them, the calculus is that they simply cannot afford to go back to the workforce given how expensive/unavailable other care is. A lot of things have gotten better, but that one really has not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Reuters notes that the regional variation of the quitting suggests Covid-19, specifically Delta and the varied responses to it in some states (from business and school closures to partisan opposition to mask mandates), is a large part of the reason. End result will be wages will go up (maybe inflation too) and jobs will be filled once people settle on the work they want. Workers have a lot of leverage right now. I'd hate to be a retailer desperately trying to fill jobs these next months -- better be ready to bend over backwards on pay and benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Kaligator said: I think it's more likely to do with a very simple thing: women. Women are still dealing with not being able to find childcare. Women are still in general the primary caretakers in families. Women are still behind significantly when it comes to re-entering the workforce. And for a lot of them, the calculus is that they simply cannot afford to go back to the workforce given how expensive/unavailable other care is. A lot of things have gotten better, but that one really has not. True to a point. My lovely young daughter, her sisters, and female friends, are continually posting on Facebook about who is available to cover what day babysitting wise. Yet, at the same time, there is a certain stability: the one sister works three 12 hour days a week (set schedule) likewise the daughters BF has specific days off. It's an issue, but one thats been at least partly adjusted too. What is happening is yes, women like my daughter may go out and get a jon, but they are upfront about being available only on certain shifts/days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Autocorrect strikes again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 52 minutes ago, Ran said: Reuters notes that the regional variation of the quitting suggests Covid-19, specifically Delta and the varied responses to it in some states (from business and school closures to partisan opposition to mask mandates), is a large part of the reason. End result will be wages will go up (maybe inflation too) and jobs will be filled once people settle on the work they want. Workers have a lot of leverage right now. I'd hate to be a retailer desperately trying to fill jobs these next months -- better be ready to bend over backwards on pay and benefits. Eh, they've been cashing in on the low wages for years. There are worse fates than having to pay their workers a little more to maintain their passive income stream. To wit: I'd hate to be a retail worker who has been undervalued and underpaid for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 hours ago, 1066 Larry said: Eh, they've been cashing in on the low wages for years. There are worse fates than having to pay their workers a little more to maintain their passive income stream. To wit: I'd hate to be a retail worker who has been undervalued and underpaid for years Yes, what is a little odd to me is seeing activists attacking small businesses, single resteraunts for example, for low wages rather than mass employers who really do have the ability to make a significant impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 There have been no activist attacking small businesses in our area. The offering prices for any help has had to be increased substantially according to the ads I've seen floating around though. Let's face it article after article for decades now has reminded us that wages have not risen in the U.S. at the pace of productivity, profits and now inflation at the tip of a long in the making iceberg. That people are just now bringing up the inflation and trying to blame it on workers is rather laughable. We've seen astronomical increases in raw materials, energy and imports long before we had a problem with employers staffing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: There have been no activist attacking small businesses in our area. The offering prices for any help has had to be increased substantially according to the ads I've seen floating around though. Let's face it article after article for decades now has reminded us that wages have not risen in the U.S. at the pace of productivity, profits and now inflation at the tip of a long in the making iceberg. That people are just now bringing up the inflation and trying to blame it on workers is rather laughable. We've seen astronomical increases in raw materials, energy and imports long before we had a problem with employers staffing. Labor costs have impacts. Just like the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Labor costs have impacts. Just like the rest. The inflation preceded labor impacts, tariffs, closed borders from the pandemic were main drivers increasing raw materials and energy increases have been blamed on several factors but I havent heard wages being a driver for energy prices going up yet. Both those problems were here and effecting inflation before restaurants had to start offering $20 bucks to wash your dishes. Eta: also healthcare inflation has been here for years and years but no-one ever seems to make the stupid argument HC workers are overpaid. Yet we seem to have no problem dumping on minimal wagers anytime they could be allowed a crumb. It's hysterically sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: The inflation preceded labor impacts, tariffs, closed borders from the pandemic were main drivers increasing raw materials and energy increases have been blamed on several factors but I havent heard wages being a driver for energy prices going up yet. Both those problems were here and effecting inflation before restaurants had to start offering $20 bucks to wash your dishes. No argument. I’m simply a tad frustrated by many on the left dismissing the impact of labor costs particularly on small businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: No argument. I’m simply a tad frustrated by many on the left dismissing the impact of labor costs particularly on small businesses. There aren't any "costs" impacts in many places, beyond opportunity costs. There's in increase in demand for services (labor) that some employers can't get that labor, only implies lost opportunity, they haven't actually paid the wages. Indeed most of them have resorted to whining about costs they haven't even paid. It's like me whining over not getting any profit from that Las Vegas casino, you know the one that I invested exactly zilch in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 15 hours ago, Zorral said: August jobs report -- people quitting, quitting, quitting and not going back to jobs they were let go from either. Which contributes too to all sorts of bollox ups, from deliveries to manufacturing and warehouses. It's not just restaurants. And if you ask Joe Manchin, it's that paltry 300 extra bucks a month for people with kids. I'm thinking it's time for elementary teachers to do a nationwide strike and simultaneously grind U.S. to a halt because free "daycare" has ended, parents can't work while signaling to Manchin to fuck off with his "we can't give them scraps, they'll stop working!" Teachers are already at a HUGE shortage. Many left due to how they were treated due to COVID. I work with pre-service teachers, and the last two semesters, we've had multiple student teachers getting hired midway through the semester for full time positions. Its insanity. They're going to burn out the trickle of young people with good enough hearts to work for terrible pay while educating other people's kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: No argument. I’m simply a tad frustrated by many on the left dismissing the impact of labor costs particularly on small businesses. The impact of no change is that many people cannot make a living wage and/or rely on government assistance. What impact on small businesses are you more concerned about than the ability for all in the US to make a living wage? Is that a potential, hypothesized impact? Because, again, the current, experienced impact of low wages is poverty. Small businesses can choose to reduce profit, increase prices, or come up with another solution that doesn't cut the pay of the working poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: No argument. I’m simply a tad frustrated by many on the left dismissing the impact of labor costs particularly on small businesses. If this was a real problem (and it may be due to corporations hoarding all the wealth from small businesses too), then taxing mega corps more and redistributing that to smaller businesses might make sense, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Centrist Simon Steele said: If this was a real problem (and it may be due to corporations hoarding all the wealth from small businesses too), then taxing mega corps more and redistributing that to smaller businesses might make sense, huh? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Again these are only opportunity costs for the vast majority, they aren't paying increased wages they are simply going without the cheap help they wish they could be still exploiting. The only ones actually paying up are the mega franchisers who have large capital resources. We have finally stumbled upon a generation of Americans who are refusing the minimum wage bullshit. It's taken 30 years but finally I'm seeing workers decline spending their time in non worthwhile endeavors. It's breathtakingly fantastic, we are being led by their pride and sacrifice, though few (older workers) are catching on yet to the sea change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Yes, what is a little odd to me is seeing activists attacking small businesses, single resteraunts for example, for low wages rather than mass employers who really do have the ability to make a significant impact. Yes, it's a major problem on the left! I wish more people pointed out this problem! Just last week we had some antifa super soldiers protesting outside of a small mom and pop thrift store. They ended up breaking the windows, looting the register and burning it to the ground. Then they went down the street and gave the cash to Walmart. I think it was the same scabs who were crossing the Nabisco picket line last month. Seriously though, anyone who can't pay a living wage shouldn't be in business. That goes for small business and giant corporations alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: No argument. I’m simply a tad frustrated by many on the left dismissing the impact of labor costs particularly on small businesses. Those small businesses have enjoyed paying what are, relatively, incredibly low labor costs. No sympathy from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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