Rohanne Webber is Old Nan?

[Megorova]

1 hour ago, The hairy bear said:

I may be missing something, but as I see it Hodor has to be much younger than Ned. He is called a "boy" both in the text and in appendixes.

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OLD NAN, storyteller, once a wet nurse,

—HODOR, her great-grandson, a simpleminded stableboy,

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There's such professions as bellboy (sort of doorman + luggage carrier), cowboy, busboy (a restaurant worker). There's also playboy, beachboy, choirboy.

There's a 90 years old choirBOY here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109332/The-oldest-choir-boy-Great-grandfather-90-sings-choir-83-years.html

A "stableboy" is Hodor's profession, not an indication of his age.

I made conclusion concerning his age based on all the information about him. Not only what was written in Appendixes, but also taken from his interactions with various people.

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The rustling grew louder. Bran heard muffled footfalls and a low humming, and Hodor came blundering out of the trees, naked and smiling. “Hodor!”

“He must have heard our voices,” Bran said. “Hodor, you forgot your clothes.”

“Hodor,” Hodor agreed. He was dripping wet from the neck down, steaming in the chill air. His body was covered with brown hair, thick as a pelt. Between his legs, his manhood swung long and heavy.

Osha eyed him with a sour smile. “Now there’s a big man,” she said. “He has giant’s blood in him, or I’m the queen.”

When males age, they overgrow with hair, it grows on their ears, backs, and in other previously hairless areas. So Hodor is 30+.

Also Theon has never heard Hodor's real name, before Nan told him that it's Walder. Based on this I made conclusion that Theon and Hodor never closely interacted in those 9 years that have passed since the Greyjoy Rebellion after which Theon was taken as Ned's ward/hostage. They didn't interacted closely not because Theon is a hostage and Hodor is a stableboy, but because there is a significant age difference between them - Hodor is from Ned's generation, and Theon is from Robb and Jon's generation, thus that's with whom he hanged out.

Etc.

1 hour ago, The hairy bear said:

The Ghost of High Heart was so short that she was confused with a dwarf. Also, the wife of the Lord of Casterly Rock that had mysteriously disappeared just a decade before would have been immediately recognized at court.

When Rohanne in 230 AC gave birth to Jenny of Oldstones, she rapidly aged, because Jenny's birth drew life-force out of her mother. Similar to how Shiera Seastar's birth killed both of her parents, leeching them dry. Similar to how Melisandre's shadow-babies were drawing life-force from Stannis. Magic has its price.

Jenny's daddy is Duncan the Tall, a son of Daemon I Blackfyre and Daenerys Targaryen. So Jenny's parents were a pureblooded dragonseed and a woodswitch, so she had magic blood on both sides of her family, that's why Jenny's daughter - Melisandre, is a powerful prophet and a bloodmage.

So when 10 years after her disappearance Rohanne came with her Jenny to the court, no one recognized her. She looked decades older, she became stooped and wrinkled and whitehaired, and her voice and the way she walked - everything changed.

Also, Dunk was unaware that he had sex with Rohanne and conceived a child with her (same as Barristan Selmy is mostly unaware that in 281 AC at the Kingswood he had sex with Jeyne Swann and conceived fAegon, on the same night when Rhaegar and Elia conceived the real Aegon, and the comet was visible in the skies both above the King's Landing and above the Kingswood area). Because Rohanne used love potion to get a child from Dunk. And those "love potions", they don't work like Viagra, they work like Rohypnol - it's a date-rape drug, a hypnotic that causes amnesia. She NEEDED to have his child, because that's what she saw in a prophetic vision - that the birth of that child was necessary. There were hints in The Sworn Sword that Dunk will have sex with Rohanne, and that their separation in the end of that novel is not the end of their story.

1 hour ago, Mourning Star said:

The Ghost of High Heart, Melisandre, the Undying, Walder Frey, Bloodraven…. Really?

Mel is only 40-41, she's not one of those oldies. Her parents were Jenny of Oldstones and Duncan the Small, so she was born no later than in 259-260 AC. In my opinion she was born on the night of the Summerhall's Burning.

[The hairy bear]

15 hours ago, Mourning Star said:

None of it is the gospel truth, Sam’s musings nor Bran’s. But they are what we have to work with as readers.

And we, as readers, should be able to discern how reliable are absolute statements depending on who says them. Sam is learned and knowledgeable. Bran is not.

We, as readers, should be able to admit that there are some times when we simply do not have enough reliable information to conclude about a character's age.

15 hours ago, Mourning Star said:

What Brandon are you suggesting was a baby when she came to Winterfell?

If have no idea.

I'm fairly confident that neither did GRRM when he wrote Bran's fourth chapter in AGOT (where this 'Brandon' is discussed). That's why his identity is described in such an ambiguous way.

15 hours ago, Mourning Star said:

The Ghost of High Heart, Melisandre, the Undying, Walder Frey, Bloodraven…. Really?

The Ghost of High Heart came to court at some time after 239. If she had been 20 then, she'd be 80 now. Nothing she does when she meets Arya is not possible at that age.

Walder Frey is 91. We never see him outside the Twins, and we are told that he no longer can stand without assistance. I see nothing strange with him, except perhaps his surprisingly high fertility (although it must be mentioned that children by his last wife are rumored to be Black Walder's)

The other three are just magic users, so my point remains: so far I haven't seen George depicting elder people performing actions out of scope with their realistic abilities.

14 hours ago, Megorova said:

There's such professions as bellboy (sort of doorman + luggage carrier), cowboy, busboy (a restaurant worker). There's also playboy, beachboy, choirboy.

He is called simply "boy" on the text:

Hallis Mollen looked abashed. "Between the horses Lord Eddard took south and them we sent north to the Night's Watch, the stalls were half-empty. It were no great trick to hide from the stableboys. Could be Hodor saw him, the talk is that boy's been acting queer, but simple as he is …" Hal shook his head.

I don't imagine Mollen calling Hodor "boy", in front of Cat and in the framework of a very serious condition, if he was 30+.

Also, in the appendixes the distinction is made between the child Turnip (called a Pot Girl) and Osha (defined as a Scullion).

14 hours ago, Megorova said:

When males age, they overgrow with hair, it grows on their ears, backs, and in other previously hairless areas. So Hodor is 30+.

Bran doesn't say anything about ears and backs. He only says that Hodor's body is "covered with brown hair, thick as pelt". This could be said of many on their late teens (me included, at the time). Hair in the chest can start growing as soon as 13.

14 hours ago, Megorova said:

Also Theon has never heard Hodor's real name, before Nan told him that it's Walder. Based on this I made conclusion that Theon and Hodor never closely interacted in those 9 years that have passed since the Greyjoy Rebellion after which Theon was taken as Ned's ward/hostage. They didn't interacted closely not because Theon is a hostage and Hodor is a stableboy, but because there is a significant age difference between them - Hodor is from Ned's generation, and Theon is from Robb and Jon's generation, thus that's with whom he hanged out.

Are we talking about Theon? The same man who doesn't have space in his head for the name of the captain's daughter he thinks that has probably left pregnant? He interacts with her during two chapters and he doesn't even think of her name!

Theon is arrogant, frivolous and superficial. At best, he would ignore a simple-minded stableboy. At worst, he'd be cruel to him. And he wouldn't care at all about his personal background, regardless of Hodor's age.

[Mourning Star]

40 minutes ago, The hairy bear said:

And we, as readers, should be able to discern how reliable are absolute statements depending on who says them. Sam is learned and knowledgeable. Bran is not.

I mean, ok, even setting aside that Bran only says "man" and not "person", we also know Sam is wrong, right? Bloodraven is older than Aemon... so take it all with a grain of salt.

And honestly, say what you will about the knowledge of Maesters, when it comes up against Nan's stories give me the stories ten times out of ten, they don't pretend to certanties they can't possibly know.

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We, as readers, should be able to admit that there are some times when we simply do not have enough reliable information to conclude about a character's age.

Wasn't that exactly what you were doing? lol

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If have no idea.

I'm fairly confident that neither did GRRM when he wrote Bran's fourth chapter in AGOT (where this 'Brandon' is discussed). That's why his identity is described in such an ambiguous way.

Since then the gardener has grown the garden, and we have more information, including a family tree with a Brandon who fits the bill exactly in the timeframe we would expect from the early details.

I think unless you can present another viable option this isn't really a debate.

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The Ghost of High Heart came to court at some time after 239. If she had been 20 then, she'd be 80 now. Nothing she does when she meets Arya is not possible at that age.

You think the Ghost of High Heart was 20 years old when she came to court?

I guess it's not impossible, but this seems like you just making assumptions about ages again with no basis in the text. It sure seems like she was already old to me, but I don't know that we have a clear answer.

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Walder Frey is 91. We never see him outside the Twins, and we are told that he no longer can stand without assistance. I see nothing strange with him, except perhaps his surprisingly high fertility (although it must be mentioned that children by his last wife are rumored to be Black Walder's)

The other three are just magic users, so my point remains: so far I haven't seen George depicting elder people performing actions out of scope with their realistic abilities.

You've invented a goalpost then moved it.

And, obviously, I'm suggesting Nan uses magic if she is the three eyed crow.

Honestly, this all seems very silly.

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He is called simply "boy" on the text:

Hallis Mollen looked abashed. "Between the horses Lord Eddard took south and them we sent north to the Night's Watch, the stalls were half-empty. It were no great trick to hide from the stableboys. Could be Hodor saw him, the talk is that boy's been acting queer, but simple as he is …" Hal shook his head.

I don't imagine Mollen calling Hodor "boy", in front of Cat and in the framework of a very serious condition, if he was 30+.

Really? You don't think a mentally challenged adult could be called boy? Let alone a stableboy?

I agreed with you that I don't think Hodor is Ned's age... but...

 One of Stevron's boys. We call him Jinglebell.

Aegon Frey was like 50.

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Also, in the appendixes the distinction is made between the child Turnip (called a Pot Girl) and Osha (defined as a Scullion).

So what do they call an adult stableboy then, if you are suggesting that "scullion" means an adult (it doesn't by the way)? This doesn't seem relevant at all.

I think it is simply fair to say that we do not know Hodor's age.

[Megorova]

21 hours ago, The hairy bear said:

I don't imagine Mollen calling Hodor "boy", in front of Cat and in the framework of a very serious condition, if he was 30+.

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21 hours ago, Mourning Star said:

I agreed with you that I don't think Hodor is Ned's age... but...

 One of Stevron's boys. We call him Jinglebell.

Aegon Frey was like 50.

Hodor is simpleminded, so his intelligence will always remain on a child's level. Thus the others will be referring to him as a boy, even when he will be 50+ (if he will live that long, which I doubt), like Jinglebell.

21 hours ago, Mourning Star said:

I think it is simply fair to say that we do not know Hodor's age.

I know that this can't be uses as a canon, because it isn't, but in that other media - do you remember how Hodor there got his nick-name? In that scene there was him as a teenager and Ned Stark as a boy. I think that when GRRM was working on that other media, he did gave instructions to his co-workers concerning from what age-group each character should be. So based on that, it seems likely that in ASOIAF Hodor is from the same age-group as he was in there - an adult, closer in age to Ned than to Ned's children.

On 10/7/2021 at 5:25 PM, The hairy bear said:

I'm trying to assess Old Nan's age without any preconception. Without attempting to push his age in any direction in order to fit a given theory.

as I see it Hodor has to be much younger than Ned.

Hodor is Nan's great-grandson, so if he was closer in age to Ned's children than to Ned himself (that's what you think), then Old Nan should be close in age to Bran's great-grandparents. Yes? Then Nan should be same age (or close to it) as Edwyle Stark - Ned's grandfather. When the children are small, their grandparents are usually still around. Take Bran for example - Rodrik Cassel was born in or before 248, and Rickard Stark (Bran's grandfather) was born in 230-250. So if Rickard didn't died during Robert's Rebellion, he would have been still around, like Rodrik Cassel.

(Like Tywin Lannister, who was born in 242; like Jeor Mormont who was born in 230; like Hoster and Brynden Tullys that were born in 238-240 and 243-245; like White Walda's grandfather - Aenys Frey who was born in 238-248; like Wynafryd Manderly's grandfather - Wyman who was born in 239-242 <- they all were born in the same time-span as Rickard Stark, Bran's grandfather - between 230 and 250). 

And if that is so, then when both Rickard and Rodrik were children, Rickard's father Edwyle, was still young. And if Old Nan was from the same generation as Edwyle, then she also was still young when Rodrik Cassel was a child. So at least Rodrik should know what was Nan's actual name. But he doesn't know it. And that's because at the time when he was born, she was already an old woman, and those people who knew her actual name were all long dead.

That's because she wasn't from Edwyle's generation, instead she was from the same generation as Edwyle's father - Willam Stark.  And she came to Winterfell to become a wet-nurse for Willam's son - Brandon, born by Willam's first wife - Lyanne Glover. So Nan was of approximately same age as Lyanne, Willam, his second wife Melantha Blackwood, his siblings - Berena, Artos, Alysanne, Errold, and Rodrik the Wandering Wolf.

So I'm saying that Old Nan IS Alysanne Stark - Willam's younger sister and a wet-nurse of her nephew - Brandon Stark.

Willam's Brandon is the only Brandon that has died while being still a child. All the other Brandons on their family tree has lived to adulthood. Artos' son Brandon got married and had children. Ned's brother Brandon has lived past age 16, and all the other Brandons on the Stark family tree lived more than 150 years ago (like Cregan Stark's son Brandon).

Old Nan may not remember for which Brandon exactly was she brought to Winterfell, though I doubt that she invented the fact that the boy died. She didn't made up his death. So there was a little Brandon Stark, Nan was his wet-nurse, and he died when he was a child, and afterwards Nan with her family had remained at Winterfell. That child was Willam's Brandon, and when Nan became his wet-nurse, Willam's other children -  Jocelyn and Ned's grandfather Edwyle weren't even born yet.

So Nan wasn't and couldn't have been from the same generation as Edwyle, her children were not from the same generation as Rickard, and her grandchildren were not from the same generation as Ned, and her great-grandchildren (including Hodor) are not from the same generation as Ned's children. Instead they were all from one generation higher - Hodor is approximately Ned's age, his father was approximately Rickard's age, his grandparents (Nan's children) were approximately same age (a few years older) as Jocelyn and Edwyle, and Nan is from the same generation as Willam Stark - Ned's great-grandfather.

Nan and Willam are from the same generation, so their great-grandchildren - Hodor and Ned, are also from the same generation. Thus Hodor is definitely NOT much younger than Ned. On the contrary - it makes sense for him to be a few years older than Ned. Because at the time when Nan came to Winterfell to become little Brandon's wet-nurse, she already had at least four children, while Willam still had only one. So all of Nan's children were several years older than Jocelyn and Edwyle, and her grandchildren were older than Rickard, and thus her great-grandson - Hodor is older than Ned.

Also take for example Nan's other great-grandchildren - the Mountain, the Hound, and Brienne's mother - Pretty Meris. Ned's oldest child - Robb was born in 283, and Meris' youngest child - Brienne - was born in 280. Even though Alysanne/Nan was Willam Stark's younger sister, she had children and got married several years earlier than he did. So by the time when he married for the first time, and then some time later his wife died, and then he married again with Melantha Blackwood, at that time it's likely that Nan's oldest children were already teenagers, so they were a few years ahead of Willam's children. They married earlier than Jocelyn and Edwyle, had children earlier than was born Rickard Stark, and so on. Thus it makes sense if Hodor is several years older than Ned, not the other way around.

You think that Hodor is still a youngster, probably based on the fact that, unlike Ned, Hodor doesn't have his own family yet - a wife and children. But the thing is - he will always remain on the same mental level as a child, so there will never be a woman willing to become his wife or to bear his children. It's likely that Hodor is 30+, but he is still a virgin, and will die without ever in his life having sex. So just because Ned has children and Hodor doesn't, it doesn't mean that Hodor is much younger than Ned. And the way other people treat Hodor - not like they treat other adults, is also not an indication of Hodor's age. They will always treat him as a simpleton, who is not on the same level as them. They will always refer to him as a boy, even when he will be in his 50s, like Jinglebell.

[Lord Lannister]

1 hour ago, Megorova said:

Hodor is simpleminded, so his intelligence will always remain on a child's level. Thus the others will be referring to him as a boy, even when he will be 50+ (if he will live that long, which I doubt), like Jinglebell.

Boy has always been used to addressed someone lower than you. Slaves and later blacks were always called boy. The list of professions like stableboy, bellboy, busboy all are trades were someone is expected to serve someone. Age doesn't matter, you're lesser than them so you're a boy. 

[Darth Sidious]

On 10/5/2021 at 1:20 AM, Egged said:

Webber. Spider. Needle work. Old Nan likes to needle.

Old Nan is said to have come to Winterfell to be a wetnurse to a Brandon or Rickard Stark. For Brandon, the timeline is wrong. For Rickard? It’s perfect: Rohanne disappeared in 230, less than a year after giving birth to Jason Lannister. Rickard was born in 230.

Might have been on Duncan’s trail.

It’s possible. That would make her very old. Lady Webber doesn’t have the disposition to serve though. The personality isn’t the same. 

[Egged]

1 hour ago, Dr. Eldon Tyrell said:

It’s possible. That would make her very old. Lady Webber doesn’t have the disposition to serve though. The personality isn’t the same. 

I actually think she came to wetnurse a bastard, probably one of Duncan's. Something like that. There is definitely some hidden "bastard of Winterfell" story yet to be revealed, likely relating to Duncan in some way. Descendants of a Duncan+Stark woman could be possible. Now why would Rohanne do this, who knows. But if Duncan was made kingsguard soon after by Aegon (precisely to settle any future case of Duncan fathering anyone), it may be that Rohanne wanted to take care of the child as if hers and Duncan's own, especially if the woman died. A nice contrast to whatever led her to marry into the Lannisters.

[StarksInTheNorth]

On 10/5/2021 at 2:09 PM, Mourning Star said:

I would be absolutely astounded if Nan didn't have Targaryen blood, almost inconceivable at this point.

No hair or eye color given, smells dragons in the comet, and never calls Bran "prince".

She has “pale, filmy eyes” in AGOT Bran IV and white hair elsewhere. 

None of which is helpful for this since her eyes could be pale and filmy if she’s partially blind, and even people with dark hair go white at the end of their lives.

per The wiki, the earliest Brandon Stark (son of Willam) was born was in 197 ish. Let’s say Nan was the absolute youngest possible to be his wet nurse, so 12. If her son and grandson all had children at the absolute earliest, Hodor was born in 221. 

Thus you are all obviously wrong and Hodor is an 80 year old man. /s

but really I’d guess that he’s close to Theon’s age. Old Nan’s grandson died at the walls of Pyke, and that’s the only grandson she has mentioned. Hodor would have to be born before the rebellion or the year after. I’d speculate that he’s somewhat younger than Ned, since he’s almost never mentioned in Eddard’s POV. so anywhere between eleven and late 20s. 

[Egged]

Old Nan would have been a wetnurse in 230, same year Rickard was born and Rohanne disappeared, a year after she gave birth.

[Targaryeninkingslanding]

hey has anyone mentioned yet that Nan had brown hair as opposed the strawberry blond of Rohanne Webber or a targ with white hair?

"After that the glimpses came faster and faster, till Bran was feeling lost and dizzy. He saw no more of his father, nor the girl who looked like Arya, but a woman heavy with child emerged naked and dripping from the black pool, knelt before the tree, and begged the old gods for a son who would avenge her. Then there came a brown-haired girl slender as a spear who stood on the tips of her toes to kiss the lips of a young knight as tall as Hodor. A dark-eyed youth, pale and fierce, sliced three branches off the weirwood and shaped them into arrows. The tree itself was shrinking, growing smaller with each vision, whilst the lesser trees dwindled into saplings and vanished, only to be replaced by other trees that would dwindle and vanish in their turn. And now the lords Branglimpsed were tall and hard, stern men in fur and chain mail. Some wore faces he remembered from the statues in the crypts, but they were gone before he could put a name to them." Dance Bran III

[Jaenara Belarys]

53 minutes ago, Targaryeninkingslanding said:

hey has anyone mentioned yet that Nan had brown hair as opposed the strawberry blond of Rohanne Webber or a targ with white hair?

 

Brown hair is a dominant trait as compared to silver hair, so it's not much to say that if it's: Rhae Targaryen, she could've gotten the hair from her mother. If Old Nan's a Stark, then it's brown hair because brown is a Stark trait. 

[Targaryeninkingslanding]

1 hour ago, Jaenara Belarys said:

Brown hair is a dominant trait as compared to silver hair, so it's not much to say that if it's: Rhae Targaryen, she could've gotten the hair from her mother. If Old Nan's a Stark, then it's brown hair because brown is a Stark trait. 

really that post was more in dispute of the claim of her being Webber as the topic states. I don't care if she is a stark, but I feel like that may have come up at some point before hand, but moreso to her being Rhea; the only child of Maekar we know of who Is stated to not have white or silver hair is Daeron, and he had sandy brown hair with a blonde beard. we might assume that this distinction is lost to Bran as he is a child, but the distinction exists at least in written form, and her great grandson Walder is only described as having brown hair, not sandy brown. as you say darker hair is dominate, but that does not seem to be the case is the family of Maekar where three of four sons are white of hair or silver. 

Brandon Stark, son of William, was born between 197-223 AC while Williams next son Edwyle was born between 197-226. We also know Brandon son of Artos died by 209 ac. We know Nan was wet-nurse for a Brandon, and that the Shewolves of winterfell should take place around 212-226 AC, which is our timeframe for dunk being up there. Rhea was the youngest of her house and born between 201-209 AC. so she would be between 3-11 at the time at her youngest, to 17-25 at her possible oldest in the possible timelines. this means the timeline is feasible, but only if everything happens to the Starks closer to 223 AC. having said that, in the mystery knight Dunk states his intention to go north, and given travel times, as longs they are not waylaid, should put them in the north between 213-214. at 12 to 14 I don't see Rhea being up north, or in a romantic relationship with a 21-22 year old dunk, though such an age distrobution between partners is  admittedly not so rare in the world of ASOIAF.

 

[Egged]

3 hours ago, Targaryeninkingslanding said:

hey has anyone mentioned yet that Nan had brown hair as opposed the strawberry blond of Rohanne Webber or a targ with white hair?

"After that the glimpses came faster and faster, till Bran was feeling lost and dizzy. He saw no more of his father, nor the girl who looked like Arya, but a woman heavy with child emerged naked and dripping from the black pool, knelt before the tree, and begged the old gods for a son who would avenge her. Then there came a brown-haired girl slender as a spear who stood on the tips of her toes to kiss the lips of a young knight as tall as Hodor. A dark-eyed youth, pale and fierce, sliced three branches off the weirwood and shaped them into arrows. The tree itself was shrinking, growing smaller with each vision, whilst the lesser trees dwindled into saplings and vanished, only to be replaced by other trees that would dwindle and vanish in their turn. And now the lords Branglimpsed were tall and hard, stern men in fur and chain mail. Some wore faces he remembered from the statues in the crypts, but they were gone before he could put a name to them." Dance Bran III

You are assuming that is Duncan and Old Nan.

I agree it probably is Duncan. But Old Nan came to nurse a Stark baby. My proposition is it was a bastard Stark of Duncan, and Old Nan-Rohanne was not the brown-haired girl "slender as a spear" (sounds like an Arya/Lyanna-like character) but the Stark mother of the bastard. Rohanne took care of the child after Duncan couldn't and who knows what happened to the Stark girl but it was probably no good.

It is rumored that the "Brandon" was Rickard's brother or of his father's brother. I say it was a bastard brother of Rickard, Rickard was born between 230-250. Since the rumor says it may have been a brother of his father it was probably an elder bastard brother to Rickard. It was a Brandon there is no record of.

[Targaryeninkingslanding]

8 minutes ago, Egged said:

You are assuming that is Duncan and Old Nan.

I agree it probably is Duncan. But Old Nan came to nurse a Stark baby. My proposition is it was a bastard Stark of Duncan, and Old Nan-Rohanne was not the brown-haired girl "slender as a spear" (sounds like an Arya/Lyanna-like character) but the Stark mother of the bastard. Rohanne took care of the child after Duncan couldn't and who knows what happened to the Stark girl but it was probably no good.

It is rumored that the "Brandon" was Rickard's brother or of his father's brother. I say it was a bastard brother of Rickard, Rickard was born between 230-250. Since the rumor says it may have been a brother of his father it was probably an elder bastard brother to Rickard. It was a Brandon there is no record of.

it all seems a bit tedious, but I suppose im not opposed to this version of events. until she wolves or winds is released, it might's well be as true as any other theory about nan that is not plainly falsifiable. the latter paragraph I feel can be explained away by the confusion of multiple Brandons that she did care for during her long tenure. if she cared for the William's, and Ned's, its not strange to assume she cared for ones in-between and that would case said confused rumors.

[Egged]

2 hours ago, Targaryeninkingslanding said:

it all seems a bit tedious, but I suppose im not opposed to this version of events. until she wolves or winds is released, it might's well be as true as any other theory about nan that is not plainly falsifiable. the latter paragraph I feel can be explained away by the confusion of multiple Brandons that she did care for during her long tenure. if she cared for the William's, and Ned's, its not strange to assume she cared for ones in-between and that would case said confused rumors.

Also remember if she came as a wetnurse, she already had a child. This works with Rohanne. With not-Rohanne you have to assume Old Nan had a child already when she came to Winterfell too. Could be, but with Rohanne that bit of history is already filled-in, especially the motivation if it’s Duncan’s son. Duncan who she probably wish she had hooked up and give up her lands to be with if necessary considering everything that preceded and followed her meeting him relating to her affairs with nobles, which appears to have been awful all the way.

Who better to throw everything away, even a marriage to Lannisters, just to raise the bastard orphan of her former (fake) hedge knight of a lover.

[Targaryeninkingslanding]

3 minutes ago, Egged said:

Also remember if she came as a wetnurse, she already had a child. This works with Rohanne. With not-Rohanne you have to assume Old Nan had a child already when she came to Winterfell too. Could be, but with Rohanne that bit of history is already filled-in, especially the motivation if it’s Duncan’s son. Duncan who she probably wish she had hooked up and give up her lands to be with if necessary considering everything that preceded and followed her meeting him relating to her affairs with nobles, which appears to have been awful all the way.

Who better to throw everything away, even a marriage to Lannisters, just to raise the bastard orphan of her former (fake) hedge knight of a lover.

Actually now that I consider Rohanne more carefully, two distinct problems arise. 

1. She disappears in 230 AC, meaning she could not have been the wet nurse for Brandon son of William or Artos, both of which were dead by 226 AC. Despite dying young, both of these Brandons are mentioned, but no Bran as brother of Rickard are mentioned similarly in the World of Ice and Fire Appendix. Such on omission could be intentional, but seems unlikely. If I am to assume old nan moved to serve a Brandon Stark, not snow, then I have to believe the ones we know about, not purely potential ones. The time frame is simply not favorable to this theory for Webber to be Nan. By 230 AC she would already be 45 or older. Though she is old Nan I suppose.

2. Despite her Marriage, she should still have ownership of Coldmoat. if she were to have a child or adopt a ward she would take them there. It is after all part of the Reach, so reprisals by Lannister could not be taken without breaking the Kings peace and declaring war on the Reach. and there she could offer the child education, protection, good food and a better life than one would expect in the frozen north.

[Mourning Star]

On 10/11/2021 at 12:08 PM, StarksInTheNorth said:

She has “pale, filmy eyes” in AGOT Bran IV and white hair elsewhere. 

None of which is helpful for this since her eyes could be pale and filmy if she’s partially blind, and even people with dark hair go white at the end of their lives.

The unclear hair and eye color work as a clue for the reader no matter what her actual hair and eye color were, and if we are being honest, it's entirely possible a choice to make Young Nan's hair color brown could have been made long after GoT was published. 

I don't think anyone is debating that her eyes are pale and filmy because of age and near blindness, or that any hair color can go white with age.

[StarksInTheNorth]

1 hour ago, Mourning Star said:

The unclear hair and eye color work as a clue for the reader no matter what her actual hair and eye color were, and if we are being honest, it's entirely possible a choice to make Young Nan's hair color brown could have been made long after GoT was published. 

I don't think anyone is debating that her eyes are pale and filmy because of age and near blindness, or that any hair color can go white with age.

I just mentioned it since someone above me said there’s no mention of nan’s hair or eyes. I mentioned it to show there were, but that it’s ultimately unhelpful since she just looks old.