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SWAN SONG

The “Swan Song” is a sixteen-thread theory, main theme of which are the dragonseeds - those characters of ASOIAF and its companion books who are carriers of the blood of the dragons - Targaryens and their descendants.

Swan Song part 1/16. The missing pieces & PTSD

It’s an introduction thread into the “Swan Song”, mostly focused on those principles on which are based nearly all of my theories.

In my opinion it is possible to uncover ASOIAF’s greatest mysteries by using MP+PTSD-method - Missing Pieces + Patterns, Trinities, Symbols, and Deduction. It’s similar to the process of assembling a jigsaw puzzle - when you notice that there are missing pieces in the plot, you can retrieve them and interpret their meaning by using PTSD to fill in gaps.

Swan Song part 2/16. Johanna Swann - the black swan of a dark horse?

My Grand Theory is titled “Swan Song” in dedication to Johanna Swann - a “dark horse”-character and one of ASOIAF’s Femme Fatales.

In my opinion she was Larra Rogare’s mother, and thus she is an ancestor of the Targaryens and the Blackfyres, and through her all of them are carriers of the Swann-blood.

Swan Song part 3/16. Larra Rogare - a chameleon and a cat-woman

Larra Rogare and Serenei of Lys is the same person. She was a cat-skinchanger, a bloodmage, and a shadowbinder.

In 135 AC Larra and her husband killed Aegon III, and together with Larra’s mother orchestrated the fall of House Rogare.

Swan Song part 4/16. Shiera Seastar - a cat, a shadow, and a lying crow

Shiera Seastar is the Three-Eyed Crow and the shadowbinder Quaithe, Mance Rayder’s wildling-healer, Lady Jeyne Swann’s unnamed septa, and the ex-teacher of maester Marwyn, Mirri Maz Duur and Euron Greyjoy.

Swan Song part 5/16. The real cause of the First Blackfyre Rebellion

Duncan the Tall’s parents were Daemon I Blackfyre and Princess Daenerys Targaryen.

Daemon had asked his half-brother - King Daeron II - to legitimize his bastard-son, though he was refused. That refusal caused a chain of events that eventually led to the First Blackfyre Rebellion and baby-Duncan ending up on the streets of King’s Landing.

Swan Song part 6/16. A brown-haired girl and a knight as tall as Hodor

Old Nan’s real name is Alysanne Stark. She was Duncan the Tall’s paramour and gave birth to his twin-children. Amongst their descendants are Hodor, the Hound and the Mountain, Brienne and her mother.

Swan Song part 7/16. The Bastard of Harrenhal

Jeyne Lothston and Aegon the Unworthy had a secret child, a son that was known as the Bastard of Harrenhal, Manfryd of the Black Hood, Manfryd Lothston, and the founder of House Whent. Also he was a great-great-grandfather of Catelyn Tully and her siblings.

Swan Song part 8/16. The real cause of the Fourth Blackfyre Rebellion

When Aenys Blackfyre came to Westeros to participate in the Great Council, before going to King’s Landing he left his family at Stonehelm with the Swanns, to whom they were related through Johanna Swann.

Barristan Selmy’s mother was one of Aenys’ daughters, thus Barristan is a Blackfyre by blood. Daemon the Unnumbered - the Blackfyre killed by Maelys the Monstrous - was Barristan’s twin-brother.

Swan Song part 9/16. The Red Widow & The Spider

Duncan the Tall had children with the three Anes - Alysanne Stark, Tanselle Too-Tall, and Rohanne Webber.

Rohanne is the Ghost of High Heart; Jenny of Oldstones was her and Dunk’s daughter.

Jenny had three children: a daughter fathered by Duncan the Small - Melisandre, and two children fathered by Maelys Blackfyre - Serra and Varys.

Swan Song part 10/16. What happened at the Kingswood

fAegon’s conception. That’s what. 

fAegon's parents are Barristan Selmy and Lady Jeyne Swann.

Swan Song part 11/16. The Stallion that mounts the world

Rhaego is alive. In this thread I wrote in details what actually had happened during and after his birth.

Swan Song part 12/16. The dragon has three heads

Three heads of the dragon are: Dany/Drogon, Rhaego/Rhaegal, Jon/Viseryon.

The Mother, the Son, and the Holy Ghost - ASOIAF’s Holy Trinity.

Swan Song part 13/16. The prince that was promised

In ASOIAF, same as in the Bible, there is more than one savior. The Promised Prince is a parallel to the Biblical Messiahs - Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Warrior from the Book of Revelation.

Khal Drogo was Aegon the Unworthy’s 3-times great-grandson, which means that Rhaego has Targaryen blood on both - his maternal and paternal sides.

Azor Ahai’s Lightbringer and Dawn of Daynes is the same sword.

All three “heads of the dragon” are Air Signs of Zodiac.

Swan Song part 14/16. The Perfumed Seneschal and the Mummer's Dragon

There are many parallels between ASOIAF and the Bible.

fAegon, who is the mummer’s dragon, is a parallel to Antichrist.

The Perfumed Seneschal is fAegon’s mother - septa Lemore/Lady Jeyne Swann. Her ancestor - Johanna Swann the Black Swan of Lys - was a famous courtesan that worked at the Perfumed Garden, a pleasure house owned by Lysandro Rogare.

Swan Song part 15/16. The False Prophet

Petyr Baelish’ great-grandfather, who was a sellsword from Braavos, was a son of the Bastard of Harrenhal (the Founder of House Whent) and one of Bellegere Otherys’ granddaughters.

Petyr is a third cousin of the Tully-siblings, whose mother was Minisa Whent, and he is a 4-times-great-grandson of Falena Stokeworth.

Also he is a parallel to the False Prophet or the Biblical Beast out of the Earth - the beast that had a lamb’s horns and a dragon’s voice.

In the past he was one of Varys’ little birds, that’s why his personal sigil is a Mockingbird.

Swan Song part 16/16. Exotic fruits of family trees

Could be that the first dragons were extraterrestrials; they came to Planetos on the Ark - a seedship of Haviland Tuf, the main character in GRRM’s sci-fi series “Tuf Voyaging”.

In my opinion Azor Ahai had 5 wives and 44 sons; they had founded House Hightower, Corbray, Dayne, Swann, and the 40 dragonlord families.

By using MP+PTSD-method I filled in gaps in the various family trees, and through Targaryen-bloodline connected numerous characters from ASOIAF and its companion books.

IRON SHELL

The “Iron Shell” is a four-thread theory about the Grand Braavosi Conspiracy.

The title is dedicated to the current Sealord of Braavos, who is one of Bellegere Otherys’ descendants.

Iron Shell part 1/4. The hydra has three heads

The Sealord of Braavos is the three-headed hydra - the person that embodies all three branches of Braavos’ government: financial (Iron Bank), administrative and legislative office (the city’s official ruler), and military (Faceless Men and Bravo).

The current Sealord of Braavos is a cat-skinchanger, same as Arya, because they have the same ancestor - Johanna Swann.

Iron Shell part 2/4. Chicks, eggs and chickens

Several Sealords of Braavos made numerous attempts to hatch those three dragon eggs that Elissa Farman had stolen from the Targaryens.

The current Sealord gave those eggs to mummer-dwarfs - Hop-Bean, Oppo and Penny. Dany’s dragons hatched from those eggs.

Since the Doom of Valyria the Sealords of Braavos took certain preventive measures to deal with the potential threat that was posed to the rest of the world by the remaining dragonlords.

Iron Shell part 3/4. How to get away with murder (Braavosi style)

The Faceless Men infiltrated Targaryen court, and by using their proximity to the royal family, killed Princess Daenerys.

The girl’s death made her parents and the other dragonseeds to doubt the Doctrine of Exceptionalism, and to think that they aren’t immune to common diseases, which then made it easier for the Faceless Men to kill numerous dragonseeds without drawing any suspicions concerning the causes of their deaths.

Iron Shell part 4/4. The tolls of the House of Black and White

There was at least one Faceless Man in every set of the Kingsguard.

Dragonseed infertility/low fertility, same as “Targaryen madness”, is a myth crafted by the Faceless Men.

The Black toll is a list of those Targaryens and their dragonseed-relatives that were killed or in other way harmed by the Faceless Men, and the White toll is a list of those Kingsguards that were Faceless Men.

P.S. In this thread I will be also posting my other theories.

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RANDOM THEORIES

These are some of my other theories, those that didn’t fit into the Swan Song or the Iron Shell:

1. The Knight of the Laughing tree was Lyanna Stark, and Rhaegar knew (or at least had a reason to suspect) it.

Rhaegar noticed Lyanna on the night of the feast, and watched over her interactions with Howland Reed. He saw when Howland pointed out to Lyanna those three squires that previously attacked him. When several days later the knights of those squires were challenged by the mystery knight, Rhaegar figured out that it was Lyanna. Because at that time he saw Howland with the other Starks, but Lyanna wasn’t with them or anywhere else in the crowds.

2. Ashara Dayne was dishonored at Harrenhal because someone saw her at the inappropriate time (at night or late evening) going alone in or out of Ned Stark’s tent.

Rhaegar sent Ashara to warn Lyanna about the upcoming search, and she went to Ned’s tent because that’s where Lyanna stored Howland’s shield, after she used it as a part of her “Halloween costume”.

3. When Ned Stark was at the Storm’s End, Howland Reed came to him and told him where Lyanna is.

4. Jyanna Reed is Ashara Dayne.

5. Edric Ned Dayne’s parents are Ashara Dayne and Howland Reed.

6. Tywin’s death was orchestrated by Varys.

It was Varys who on that night had sent Shae to Tywin’s chamber. On his order Shae mixed into Tywin’s wine what she thought to be a potency enhancer (though actually it was a laxative). That way Varys made sure that when Tyrion got into that room, Tywin wasn’t there to call the guards or to stop him.

Varys had also placed the crossbow on the wall and a chest of appropriate height under it - for Tyrion to climb on the chest and from there to reach to the crossbow.

Varys tricked Jaime into thinking that he is being forced to help him with freeing Tyrion, though it was all part of his machinations.

7. The woman and four little men in Dany’s vision at the House of the Undying are Westeros and the four Kings, excluding Robb.

8. This -

“And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow” (ASOS, Arya VIII),

is the same as this -

“It was more than Sansa could stand. “Robert, stop that.” Instead he swung the doll again, and a foot of wall exploded. She grabbed for his hand but she caught the doll instead. There was a loud ripping sound as the thin cloth tore. Suddenly she had the doll’s head, Robert had the legs and body, and the rag-and-sawdust stuffing was spilling in the snow.” (ASOS, Sansa VII).

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9. A discovery made by @asongofheresy

could be that Lysono Maar - the spymaster of the Golden Company, is the last of the true Rogares.

Lysono's Rogare ancestor could be either Lysaro, Lysara, or Marra.

Based on this -

"After the death of her father, Lysandro "the Magnificent", Marra inherited his library. When the Rogare Bank ran dry in 135 AC, Lysaro Rogare's brothers and sisters claimed to have no part in it, but many doubted their claims of innocence. She claimed sanctuary at the Temple of Yndros in man's garb. When the Rogares were tried, Marra was deprived of the books she had inherited.[2]"

"Lysono is a Lyseni, with pale lilac eyes and long white-gold hair.[1][2] His lips are full, giving him an almost feminine appearance at first glance. His fingernails are painted purple, and his earlobes drip with pearls and amethysts.[1]"

I think that Marra Rogare is the prime candidate.

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10. Gilly's mother is Dyah (based on the info from Sam's last chapter at Craster's Keep).

11. One of Bellegere Otherys' daughters - Narha, possibly was named after a sea dragon - Nagga.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Nagga

Also in Wikipedia -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nāga

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The Nāga (IAST: nāga; Devanāgarī: नाग) or Nagi (f. of nāga; IAST: nāgī; Devanāgarī: नागी)[1] are divine, semi-divine deities, or a semi-divine race of half-human half-serpent beings that reside in the netherworld (Patala) and can occasionally take human form.

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In Sanskrit, a nāgá (नाग) is a cobra, the Indian cobra (Naja naja). A synonym for nāgá is phaṇin (फणिन्). There are several words for "snake" in general, and one of the very commonly used ones is sarpá (सर्प). Sometimes the word nāgá is also used generically to mean "snake".[5]

Could it be that that Naja Naja is a basis for Nissa Nissa? Maybe Azor Ahai's wife was one of the "snake-people"?

So while Azor's fifth wife was a Tiger-woman, his fourth one was a Cobra-woman. Maybe.

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The mythological serpent race that took form as cobras can often be found in Hindu iconography. The nāgas are described as the powerful, splendid, wonderful and proud semidivine race that can assume their physical form either as human, partial human-serpent or the whole serpent. Their domain is in the enchanted underworld, the underground realm filled with gems, gold and other earthly treasures called Naga-loka or Patala-loka. They are also often associated with bodies of waters — including rivers, lakes, seas, and wells — and are guardians of treasure.[7]

Dragons are known as gold-hoarding creatures. And Braavosi have their Iron Bank, which was created by those founding families of Braavos, who were storing their treasures in the secret caves under Braavos.

Bellegere Otherys' grandfather was the Sealord of Braavos, so thru him she and her descendants were the key-holders of the Iron Bank, Narha included.

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1 hour ago, Megorova said:

Dragons are known as gold-hoarding creatures. And Braavosi have their Iron Bank, which was created by those founding families of Braavos, who were storing their treasures in the secret caves under Braavos.

 

Not in ASOIAF. You can draw influence from, but you can't base your entire theory off what GRRM what or might not have drawn inspiration from. 

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56 minutes ago, asongofheresy said:

Dragons protect treasures, especially in Chinese myths, but only one Chinese dragon breathes fire, Fucanglong (long means dragon). Maybe Viserys wasn't a true dragon because he sold the treasures of Rhaella. 

Heh:

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“She was the fairest treasure of the Maidenvault. Lord Oakenfist the great admiral lost his heart to her, though he was married to another. She gave their son the bastard name of ‘Waters’ in honor of his father, and he grew to be a great knight, as did his own son, who put the ‘Long’ before the ‘Waters’ so men might know that he was not basely born himself. So I have a little dragon in me.”

“Yes, I almost mistook you for Aegon the Conqueror,” Jaime had answered.

House Longwaters: the water dragons.

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1 hour ago, asongofheresy said:

Maybe Viserys wasn't a true dragon because he sold the treasures of Rhaella. 

Good catch.

Found that scene in the books, and just look at that ^_^ there's another clue there ->

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"Your pretty crown might buy another century," said the fat one in Valyrian. "Your crown of the three dragons."

Dany waited for his words to be translated. "My crown is not for sale." When Viserys sold their mother's crown, the last joy had gone from him, leaving only rage. - ASOS, Dany III.

Dany refused to part with her crown, so she is a true dragon.

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