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Can you make a list of the most evil characters from the world of ASOIAF?


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15 hours ago, boltons are sick said:

Euron Greyjoy could eventually join their ranks but so far he hasn't done enough to really stand out, so we will have to wait and see for him.

Euron crucified 163 children while dressed as a clown.  It is hard to beat that.

(No, this is not from The Forsaken sample chapter.  It just combines 2 theories I have).

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23 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said:

Tywin is driven by pride and ambition. He doesn't want to let his position of one of the most powerful Great Houses in the Realm go. Tywin has also committed atrocities like the Sack of KL that isn't justifiable at all but the destruction of Tarbeck Hall and Castamere is. The Reynes and Tarbecks should have listened to Tywin and paid their debts to Castelry Rock back. Instead, they chose the warpath and in war, everything is justifiable. The burning of the riverlands is also justified as war. The riverlands made the first strike by kidnapping Tyrion.  

Eh, one person, who is technically a northerner now, takes his son so that justifies Tywin burning an entire region and murdering tens of thousands of people in cold blood?

Everybody has their reasons for everything they do. Ramsay is punishing Theon for what he did; Joffrey is sending a message to his lords by beating Sansa . . .

Only Tywin doles out death and misery on a massive scale. Only Tywin does it in a cold, calculating way. 

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21 hours ago, boltons are sick said:

As I mentioned, this list is in no particular order and I agree that Ramsay is worse than Joffrey.

 The list wasn't created by me but by TV Tropes for their trope called Complete Monster and while Tywin is certainly very bad, he has some redeeming qualities which prevent him from qualifying for the trope.

What redeeming qualities are those? His disdain for smallfolk and even his own family? His cold-bloodedness? His ordered gang-rape of a young girl just to teach his son a lesson? The tens of thousands of rapes and killings done in his name? The complete destruction of farms, villages, holdfasts on a scale not seen since the Dance? The obliteration of noble houses dating back thousands of years? The fact that he has done all of this knowingly and willingly, with no remorse? 

To me, putting Ramsay and Joffrey above Tywin on a scale of evil is like putting the guards at Auschwitz above Hitler.

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6 hours ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

He’s the Hungry Wolf for a reason. He is a savage to the extreme. 

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Theon Stark, known as the Hungry Wolf, was a King in the North and head of House Stark.[1] Theon Greyjoy refers to Theon Stark as his namesake.[2]

Appearance and Character

The crypt of Winterfell contains a stone-crowned statue of Theon which depicts him as thin, with long hair and a skinny beard. He earned his nickname, the Hungry Wolf, from the constant state of war the north was in during his reign and his own gaunt appearance.[3][1]

History

King Theon defended the north during the coming of the Andals. Aided by House Bolton, Theon defeated the Andal warlord Argos Sevenstar in the Battle of the Weeping Water. The King of Winter then sailed across the narrow sea to the coast of Andalos with Argos's body displayed on the prow of his ship like a figurehead. Theon burned a score of Andal villages, killing hundreds and capturing three tower houses and a fortified sept. The king displayed the spiked heads of his victims along his coastline to deter future invaders.[4]

Theon later conquered the Three Sisters in the Bite and landed an army on the Fingers, possibly part of the War Across the Water. He also defeated rebels from the Rills and aided the Night's Watch in imposing a generational defeat on wildlings beyond the Wall.[4]

Harrag Hoare, King of the Iron Islands, led a fleet of ironborn longships against the western coast of the north, conquering the Stony Shore and burning the wolfswood. Harrag's son, Ravos the Raper, used Bear Island as a base. Theon eventually slew Ravos, however, and expelled the ironmen from his shores, including Bear Island and Cape Kraken.[4]

What is the savagery in that? He is by far the coolest Stark and most martial of them.

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Just now, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said:

What is the savagery in that? He is by far the coolest Stark and most martial of them.

Actually my Stark list goes like these

1. Cregan Stark

2. Theon Stark

3. Brandon the Builder

4. Alaric Stark

5. Artos(cool name) Stark

6. Eddard Stark

7. Robb Stark

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1) The Children of the forest (if the Old Gods created or sent the Others on the Children's request, then both - the First Long Night and the upcoming one, is all their fault).

2) Varys.

3) Littlefinger.

4) Euron Greyjoy.

5) Walder Frey.

Ramsay Bolton is the product of his upbringing. His father is at fault that Ramsay is the way he is. And Roose himself is also a result of being a Bolton. His family's "trademark" is to skin their enemies alive. So the people of his House were raised by their parents as sadists, same with their own parents before them, etc.

The Great Masters of the Slaver's Bay and the Dothraki Khals are also do what they do and behave as they do because of who/what they are. They are supposed to be like that, and they can't be not like that, because that's what their environment requires them to be.

Tywin's father was a weakling and a fool, so Tywin had to become tough, to compensate for his father's feebleness, otherwise their House would have crumbled apart. Tywin haven't done anything especially vicious or unreasonably evil, not by Medieval standards. His troops sacked King's Landing, so what? In those times everybody did stuff like that. During the War of the Five Kings, people (in the books) said that the Stark-troops were raping and killing and robbing, same as Lannister-troops, and Greyjoy-troops. So they all are the same. In those times doing things like that was normal. Tywin married his daughter with Robert, even though she didn't wanted. So what? In those times nearly all men did things like that - Viserys sold his sister to the Dothraki, Hoster Tully forced Lysa to marry with Jon Arryn, Robb and Catelyn were going to marry Arya with one of the Freys, without even asking her opinion about this. So in this regard Tywin haven't done anything out of the ordinary. And concerning what he did to Tyrion and Tysha - none of the Targaryen Kings and Robert too, haven't canceled the first night custom, according to which the Lord of the land on which had occured a wedding, had a right to have sex with the bride. The only difference between that and what Tywin did, is that he didn't had sex with Tysha himself, instead he ordered his guards to do it. And he did all that for the sake of his House, not for his own ego or out of evilness.

Cersei has a shitty personality, she's a selfcentered vicious b*tch, but at least she doesn't bath in a human blood and she doesn't eat her enemies, nor sacrifice them to various deities, like Euron did in TWOW.

Concerning Joffrey - if the Faceless Men didn't knew that Joffrey was not Robert Baratheon's son, if they thought that Joffrey was a dragonseed, same as Robert, then it's likely that they were adding basilisk's blood into his food and drink, and thus his acts of cruelty were caused by that substance. The Faceless Men were also poisoning with the basilisk blood King Aerys II, Maegor the Cruel, Aerion Brightflame, and several other supposedly crazy Targaryens. So those people were not entirely responsible for their own actions.

I wrote those five in my list of the most evil characters because those people were doing evil things not because of the environment in which they lived, or because of some outside circumstances, instead they did what they did because of greed, and because they wanted to have certain things. Robb Stark not marrying with that Frey girl, bruised Walder's ego, so Walder orchestrated the Red Wedding. Out of malice, not for the sake of his House. Varys, Littlefinger and Euron strive to get the Iron Throne, and for the sake of getting it, they are willling to sacrifice thousands of innocent lives, all because of what they want.

And about the Children - I think that when the First Men migrated to Westeros from Essos and started to cut down the Weirwood trees, the Children asked for help from the Old Gods, and the Gods sent the Others to kill humans. The Children didn't wanted the First Men to cut those trees, because the souls of their ancestors were living their second lives in those trees. And all the Children themselves, after their own death, also were intending to keep existing in those trees. And, considering that the Weirwood trees don't rot and thus they can grow/keep living for thousands of years, if not indefinitely, then thru those trees the Children were achieving a true immortality. It was not enough for them to have a natural life spans that lasted several hundreds if not a thousand years, they also wanted to live a second neverending life in the Weirwood Network, after their mortal bodies would have died. But the First Men, that were cutting out the Weirwood trees, were standing in the way of the Children's immortality, and that's why the Children summoned the Others and clashed them against the humans. It appears that during the First Long Night, millions died, all because the Children wanted to have a second life inside their trees. 

If this assumption about the nature of the Others and their connection to the Children is correct, then the Children are the most evil beings/characters in ASOIAF. Humans naturally live only for 50-80, 100 years maximum, and the Children "robbed" millions of them. Even though compared to the Children's much longer lifespans, the human life is short and flitting. But the Children took even that from them. Because for the Children to live just one life, even though it lasted several hundreds years, was not enough. They wanted to also have a second, neverending life inside their trees. They thought that this existence is more important than a life of a mere human, and thus they are the most evil.

So even if we will combine together all the evil that was done by the other villains of ASOIAF, and even if we will multiply it a hundredfold, all that still will be a lesser evil compared to what the Children did, and still are doing (because the Others were there beyond The Wall, since the First Long Night ended, they never left, and they were keep killing people thru all this time).

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I don't especially care for the TV tropes requirements for a number of reasons, but the most important is the very first requirement; 

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The character has ABSOLUTELY NO REDEEMING QUALITIES. Even if a character has some redeeming qualities at the start of the story he/she could still become a Complete Monster if he/she loses them. Even one single redeeming quality is enough to disqualify a character from this trope.

Even just one? Like, the villian can be the baddest Voldemort ever, but if he helped save a bunny one time, he's somehow not deserving of the "pure evil" badge? The villain can be as sadistic as Jigsaw, but he was nice to his puppy, so that makes him not a terrible monster? Sorry, but that's silly. This requirement is silly. It demands cartoon villians, and George R. R. Martin doesn't write like that.

I tell you that to tell you this: any list that uses "but he had redeeming qualities" to let Tywin Lannister off the hook for his monstrocities is not a list I will ever take seriously. Everyone has redeeming qualities. That does not mean they automatically deserve redemption.

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