Rhaella Starfall Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Long time Heresy lurker, first time poster! 17 hours ago, Melifeather said: I believe Ned is Jon's father and that Ashara is his mother. I think Ashara actually gave birth to Jon at Winterfell and left him there with a wet-nurse. Her suicide was an elaborate fake to conceal her new identity as Wylla. And I think Ned went along with it out of guilt for not being able to marry her. I agree with parts of this. I think a lot of Ned's guilt comes from 'dishonouring' Ashara at the tourney at Harrenhal, though I think he fully intended on pursuing her hand in marriage (mainly because the honourable Lord Eddard doesn't seem the type to just have his fun and move on) but everything that follows screwed that up - he had to step into Brandon's shoes and marry Catelyn in his place. I'm still not quite sure if Ashara got pregnant by him, though I'm inclined to think she did as various characters mention a stillborn child. I also don't think the child is dead but I also don't think it is Jon. Though again, not sure who it could be in the present story. Meera? Dany was one of my first thoughts, years ago, but that would completely take away her Targ connection, and as both Ned and Ashara have dark hair, it seems very unlikely. I've also played around with the idea of how this would make Arthur Dayne react. Surely he'd be a bit pissed if his sister was dishonoured? But then again, maybe he approved of the match (that would've moved into marriage if the situation had been different) and that's why he looks sad at the ToJ when he has to fight Ned. I still can't wrap my head around the way Rhaegar acted at the tourney though. We don't know much about the Prince of Dragonstone and it's possible that what we do know is has been skewed in his favour by those that loved him. But, what he did seems out of character for him, even if he was driven by prophecy. Surely there were other ways to approach Lyanna that didn't involve humiliating his pregnant wife in front of pretty much every big house in Westeros? It has to be some sort of threat or warning, as has been brought up here before. One last thing that's always bugged me (while I'm on a roll haha) is Littlefinger's location when the whole Lyanna 'abduction' seems to kick off. I don't think he had any involvement directly as I'm pretty sure Lyanna would easily be able to fight him off. But then again, when has Littlefinger ever used his physical strength to get what he wants? The fact that he would have been travelling in the right area at around the right time (as far as I can make out) has always made me wonder. Quote A fortnight passed before Littlefinger was strong enough to leave Riverrun, but her lord father forbade her to visit him in the tower where he lay abed. Lysa helped their maester nurse him; she had been softer and shyer in those days. Edmure had called on him as well, but Petyr had sent him away. Her brother had acted as Brandon's squire at the duel, and Littlefinger would not forgive that. As soon as he was strong enough to be moved, Lord Hoster Tully sent Petyr Baelish away in a closed litter, to finish his healing on the Fingers, upon the windswept jut of rock where he'd been born. This is after Brandon fights Littlefinger. Brandon seemingly leaves straight after, promising Cat that they'll wed on his return. 'A fortnight' seems a pretty exact timeframe when 'some time passed' or something else vague would have also worked. I'd also love to know what was in the letter Littlefinger sends Cat after Brandon's death. Anyway, sorry for bringing up old stuff. *returns to the shadows* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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