How much damage would Joffrey have caused if he hadn't died at the Purple Wedding ?

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

If Joffrey hadn't been poisonned at the Purple Wedding by Olenna Tyrell and Littlefinger and had continued to live and rule, how much damage to his side, family and to the realm do you think that he would have kept causing with his cruelty, pettiness, insanity and complete lack of restraint in the long run ? 

What kind of crazy cruel and stupid decisions do you think that he would have made that would have damaged or even ruined his uncle and his grandfather's work to preserve and reinforce the Lannister regime ? 

How long would it have taken for him to ruin the alliance with the Tyrells ? Who else may he have antagonized ? 

[LindsayLohan]

Considering Stannis was still alive, Balon Greyjoy still claimed the North, and Dorne was plotting to marry Doran's son to Danaerys in support of a Targaryan restoration... it wasn't like he was done fucking things up just yet.

[StarksInTheNorth]

1 hour ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

If Joffrey hadn't been poisonned at the Purple Wedding by Olenna Tyrell and Littlefinger and had continued to live and rule, how much damage to his side, family and to the realm do you think that he would have kept causing with his cruelty, pettiness, insanity and complete lack of restraint in the long run ? 

What kind of crazy cruel and stupid decisions do you think that he would have made that would have damaged or even ruined his uncle and his grandfather's work to preserve and reinforce the Lannister regime ? 

How long would it have taken for him to ruin the alliance with the Tyrells ? Who else may he have antagonized ? 

The Lannister-Tyrell alliance was winning. His death isn’t even the big problem for the alliance. It’s the death of Tywin that really does it in. For ease of discussion, I’m going to assume that Olenna dies and with her, the plot to kill Joffrey.

Some pleasant news first: Sansa’s life is probably at least a little better than everyone else’s. Tyrion was already talking about leaving King’s Landing after the wedding and has been given the option of Dorne. I forget if Olenna’s invitation was in the show or books or both, but that’s there as well.

Tywin doesn’t trust anyone, so he doesn’t let Tyrion go there. But he lets him take Sansa back to the Rock because he’s a somewhat sensible dictator. Tywin is going to see the benefit of separating Sansa from Joffrey - especially if Joffrey’s focus on Sansa might keep him from getting an heir on Margaery. If she’s still in town by the time Brienne arrives, maybe Brienne swears herself to Sansa as a sworn shield instead of traipsing across the Riverlands. Some interesting shenanigans for northern politics might go down if Brienne feels caught between Sansa and “Arya”, but then is told the truth and goes to Casterly Rock. This means Sansa will likely get let in on the truth and could blossom politically in that capacity.

At this point, Joffrey doesn’t have a reason to hate Margaery and so probably doesn’t abuse her at this point. Maybe he’s rough in bed, who knows.

Meanwhile, Tywin has been doing a decent job as Hand in governing the country and continues to do so. Joffrey at thirteen might be okay with this for now, seeing as he doesn’t fight it hard in ASOS.

But if hes pleased with his wife, he might start listening to her. And there’s a very good place for the ambitious Tyrells to sweep in and take over the power of the throne. Convince Joffrey that he’s being held back by his mother and grandfather and he might believe the Tyrells. Cersei is already whispering how much she hates Margaery in his ear. It would be easy for his wife to tell him his mother only says that because she doesn’t want him to be a great Ming, and Cersei is angry that Margaery supports him unconditionally.

Bada bing bada boom, the Tyrells manipulate the Lannisters out of power and Mace Tyrell is Hand of the King. They let Joffrey get away with his psychotic tendencies, while they focus on righting the realm in their own favor.

Ironically, Westeros might be better off for the time being that way. Food supplies from the Reach continue coming to Kings Landing and no one is dumb enough to give the Sparrows back their swords because Cersei isn’t around to have Tyrion’s high Septon smothered. The forces of the Reach aren’t as divided.

Lysa Arryn stays out of the fight because of Littlefinger, but she also doesn’t die for at least a little while longer. Maybe Littlefinger tries to get Tyrion and Sansa to visit the Vale so an accident can happen.

Once Euron does his thing, Margaery and Mace quickly convince Joffrey to take care of them with the Redwyne Fleet. The assault on Dragonstone and Storm’s End probably continues, but slower. Storms End might be starved out because Mace’s chosen commander doesn’t have to return to the city to free Margaery from the Faith.

Now, this marital bliss can only last so long. Everyone knows he’s crazy and awfu, but they endure it because they have to. He has a claim, but they don’t. Until they do. Either Margaery gets pregnant or Tywin made the smart move to stash Tommen safely away in Casterly Rock. Once Joffrey gets to be too much, he can be taken care of for a second time. Either murder or Margaery convinces the king to lead the charge on Dragonstone and he gets Lorased.

So his court is still uneasy, but his claim is secure. Let’s say Margaerys not pregnant and Tywin is bidding his time, and then the Golden Company invades. There’s still disarray, but the core of Westeros is more united than in canon. But still not as much as it should be. The Martells flock to Aegon and maybe the commons to. Tywin might think Myrcella/Aegon is a fine arrangement to get a grandchild on the throne (but probably not). Ultimately, the boy will fail unless Varys makes better plans and does more chaos in the capital. A dead Margaery, for example.

In short: the realm will be fine and people may suffer his sadism, but others may escape it. 

[Universal Sword Donor]

He would have been found at the bottom of a stairwell with 7 arrows in his chest from suicide. There was no way that the Tyrells were going to let him live, either because of his potential treatment of his new wife or because they want a puppet king who requires a regent (and they realize Cersei is an idiot who can be outwaited).

[Willam Stark]

Not really much, he would have died a few months or years later.

He is too dumb and cruel to expect to live a long life.

[Raven Princling]

With Tommen alive and well, he would have probably been assassinated sooner or later.

But potential fuckups could be loosing Tyrells and having them rebel if he treated Margeary like he did Sansa.

[Daenerysthegreat]

Well i don’t think Joffrey is aerys iii. He’s a bully and arrogant. I think he would have been a king like Aegon IV or Aegon II.He is horrible not insane.

[Moiraine Sedai]

King Joff would be cruel, mercurial, petty, and difficult. Yes he is not insane but he will do as much damage. Aerys was not doing damage to the people because he was letting his employees manage his people. The realm was economically sound during his reign. The man was a recluse. Joff is not. King Joff has little concern for the people. Expect high taxes, harsh laws, lots of executions, trouble with Braavos, and many illegitimate children. Joff is cruel by nature. There is no cure for that. Aerys was suffering from mental issues but given medication could be treated. The only trouble with that is he is not going to cooperate and has the authority to resist.  Power dooms the needy man.