Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 the title says it all. For me personally, it's Bloodraven. Sorcery and a network of spies that spread throughout the kingdom as opposed to just within the walls of KL. Also a much more effective spymaster in the sense that he stopped 3-4 rebellions through his network of spies. Varys has stopped zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 To be fair, Bloodraven's got some kind of magic on his side. Varys doesn't; he hates magic, in fact. Bloodraven's clearly been dabbling in magic even before he became the Three-Eyed Crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggBlue Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Bloodraven. Varys still has to prove himself. we just realized he's been playing a long game..how long ? we don't know.. how successful? we don't know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Bloodraven, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Well it's hardly a fair competition when Bloodraven was a greenseer and a skinchanger with him using birds to spy on everyone and arrests anyone who even expressed sympathy to the Blackfyres or criticized the Targaryens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said: Also a much more effective spymaster in the sense that he stopped 3-4 rebellions through his network of spies. Varys has stopped zero. Well, given that Varys is actually orchestrating a rebellion against his king and want to see him overthrown, I wouldn't hold that against him. I don't think I'd want any of them as my Master of Whispers. Both resort to awful means to achieve their petty goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 BR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Claude Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 hours ago, The hairy bear said: Both resort to awful means to achieve their petty goals. That’s literally the definition of the Master of Whispers’ job. Spying, infiltrating, deceit, sinister orchestrations behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, Canon Claude said: That’s literally the definition of the Master of Whispers’ job. Spying, infiltrating, deceit, sinister orchestrations behind the scenes. Lmao agreed. We aren't arguing who is has better morals or who operates the most morally, it's the person who is the most efficient and effective at their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I think Varys has more natural ability, while Bloodraven has the advantages of magic and family connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey family reunion Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 hours ago, The hairy bear said: Well, given that Varys is actually orchestrating a rebellion against his king and want to see him overthrown, I wouldn't hold that against him. I think this bit here ends the argument. If I'm a king I don't want a spymaster who is actively looking to overthrow me. As far as we know Bloodraven was actually loyal to the kings that he served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Bloodraven had ears in every corner of the Realm whereas in Vary's case, his ears disappeared the further one gets from King's Landing. Bloodraven ran what can be called a police state so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 hours ago, frenin said: Bloodraven had ears in every corner of the Realm whereas in Vary's case, his ears disappeared the further one gets from King's Landing. Bloodraven ran what can be called a police state so... We aren't arguing on the basis of governments. We are arguing who was more efficient at stopping rebellions and finding traitors easier. Bloodraven wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 11 hours ago, The hairy bear said: I don't think I'd want any of them as my Master of Whispers. Both resort to awful means to achieve their petty goals. I'd hardly say that Bloodraven's goals were petty. 4 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said: We aren't arguing on the basis of governments. We are arguing who was more efficient at stopping rebellions and finding traitors easier. Bloodraven wins. I'm a big fan of yours homie but you're arguing in bad faith. Of course, Bloodraven is much more efficient at stopping rebellions and finding traitors than Varys. Why? Because Varys doesn't want to stop rebellions and find traitors. Not only does Varys never really try, Varys is a rebel and a traitor. A better comparison would be Bloodraven and (let's say) Mysaria. Bloodraven is probably the best Master of Whisperers that the Seven Kingdoms has ever seen. I don't think it's going to get much better than that. 6 hours ago, frenin said: Bloodraven ran what can be called a police state so... This kind of comment is golden. It's something that not a lot of people talk about or notice and it's a big part of the reason why no one liked like whole "King Bran" thing in the mummer's farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said: We aren't arguing on the basis of governments. We are arguing who was more efficient at stopping rebellions and finding traitors easier. Bloodraven wins. Him running a police state is the reason of his succes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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