VigoTheCarpathian Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said: What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document? This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss. Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. Minimum pro-rate fee billed to him via your boss - something at least enough to raise eyebrows, enough for several pricy drinks. Plus have your boss give a healthy heads-up to his boss, noting that while you don’t *think* he was being sexist AF, you know how it would look from an HR perspective since he chose to ask you and not a male colleague (which I am sure he had several opportunities to choose from before asking you). That way, they are both informed and can’t claim ignorance, and you’ve fired a warning shot, and have recourse if it happens again without having to address it directly. Because the second time should be a “Big boys should have learned to wipe their own asses + fuck off” from you, and your bosses can sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady narcissa Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Chataya de Fleury said: What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document? I'd confide in him I actually have no idea how to use the copier because I never make my own copies. (Of course I make my own copies.) Luzifer's right hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said: What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document? This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss. Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. I would simply tell him that I’m not able to help and point him to this or that assistant/intern who always supports me with these tasks. Or to the person who can tell him which other colleague can assist him with the copies. It’s everybody’s own responsibility to find the answer or the right person to help them when they need assistance. Casually delegating something to someone whose job is not assisting you, because you can’t do it yourself/ask the right person is just lazy, and that doesn’t reflect well on someone at a workplace. Edited June 21, 2022 by RhaenysBee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said: What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document? This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss. Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. I would have laughed at him, told him I am not an intern, and asked him if he would do next month's SEC filings for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 8 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said: What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document? This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss. Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. Curious what you said to him on this occasion? Direct him to the operating manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chataya de Fleury Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Curious what you said to him on this occasion? Direct him to the operating manual. I was just so stunned I said, “sure” and I don’t think my (and his - they are the same person) boss overheard because he was busy chatting with the audit partner. Next time, I won’t say anything at that time, or I will give him the names of our interns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenaExMachina Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Tell him you're on your period and couldn't possibly operate such a complicated machine at this time because you're all in a tizzy Chataya de Fleury, Derfel Cadarn, Tywin et al. and 3 others 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said: Next time, I won’t say anything at that time, or I will give him the names of our interns. Why are internships still a thing? It’s such an immoral practice. Just start with entry level positions and pay them accordingly. Edited June 21, 2022 by Tywin et al. A True Kaniggit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chataya de Fleury Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: Why are internships still a thing? It’s such an immoral practice. Just start with entry level positions and pay them accordingly. Our interns do get paid. $16/hr. It is not an “entry level” position because these are college sophomores or juniors who are here for maybe a month or two in the summer. We typically invite the good ones back for another summer and then extend an offer for full time employment (starting at a much better salary than $16/hr) for the top ones. Edited June 21, 2022 by Chataya de Fleury Tywin et al. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said: Our interns do get paid. $16/hr. It is not an “entry level” position because these are college sophomores or juniors who are here for maybe a month or two in the summer. We typically invite the good ones back for another summer and then extend an offer for full time employment (starting at a much better salary than $16/hr) for the top ones. I glad to hear your firm is one of the generous ones, but I have not encountered a ton of people who've had the same experience. Most have described unpaid internships or ones that pay you so little that you're lucky to break even on gas just driving to it. The valuable experience they say you'll get as a trade off is more like what you described before, being asked to make copies or get your boss' coffee. I'm rather lucky in that every internship I've had has led to a paid position, but I've also been on the other side of that, being forced to encourage a few dozen interns to work harder for a job opportunity that probably doesn't exist. It's fair to say there are some good internship programs, but I suspect they're massively outnumbered by ones that are just looking for free labor while offering very little that's going to help an individual outside of gaining a reference and something to put on their resumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 @Chataya de Fleury I'd just leave an article on 'sexism in the workplace' on his desk, with a note saying 'I need this photocopied by 14:00'. HelenaExMachina, Wade1865, Zorral and 6 others 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) Bwa ha ha. My current workplace and I have reverted back to the old status quo. I work for 4.5 hours a day and I screw around for the remaining 3.5. This shall continue until they give me the raise I requested or they actually work up the courage to fire me. Edited June 23, 2022 by A True Kaniggit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 7 hours ago, A True Kaniggit said: Bwa ha ha. My current workplace and I have reverted back to the old status quo. I work for 4.5 hours a day and I screw around for the remaining 3.5. This shall continue until they give me the raise I requested or they actually work up the courage to fire me. We have a rating system at work, 1-5 for performance and development reviews. I will continue being a solid 3 until I retire in 8 years and 10 months. A True Kaniggit and Luzifer's right hand 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I went full Office Space a couple years ago, pushing it to make two hours worth of work look like eight and every review I've had since has said my work is excellent and I've gotten a raise each time. I strive to do less and less each day. Luzifer's right hand and A True Kaniggit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkdaub Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 On 6/20/2022 at 8:19 PM, Chataya de Fleury said: What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document? This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss. Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. Don't say anything at all. Just hold out your hand and when he gives you the document, before he even turns away, immediately throw it in the garbage and go back to what you were doing. maarsen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Copier … shredder … same thing! Tywin et al. and Chataya de Fleury 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 19 hours ago, A True Kaniggit said: I work for 4.5 hours a day and I screw around for the remaining 3.5. What sort of job is that? I ask because I've never worked anywhere in which there wasn't more work, and more and more all the time, with no room for goofing off. I must have done something wrong. Isis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zorral said: What sort of job is that? I ask because I've never worked anywhere in which there wasn't more work, and more and more all the time, with no room for goofing off. I must have done something wrong. I work in the billing department of a lab. My workload depends on the number of patients we have daily. (Not enough to keep me busy for 8 hours currently) Edited June 23, 2022 by A True Kaniggit Zorral 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Zorral said: What sort of job is that? I ask because I've never worked anywhere in which there wasn't more work, and more and more all the time, with no room for goofing off. I must have done something wrong. We're literally months behind in the department I work in. But I'm essentially my own boss with zero oversight, and because I regularly find problems that are costing us tens of thousands a day and fix them quickly no one who matters cares that I screw off most of the day. Patients always giving me great reviews also helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chataya de Fleury Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Zorral said: What sort of job is that? I ask because I've never worked anywhere in which there wasn't more work, and more and more all the time, with no room for goofing off. I must have done something wrong. My job is strange in that it is a months-long lull of reading The Financial Times and watching Bloomberg News and doing various background sh1t, and then, for 30 days at a time (75 days after year-end) is balls to the wall 20 hours a day insanity. Oh, and an insane streak can also occur at any time that my overlords decide to restructure our debt, acquire another company, or issue equity. I do love my job. I love the insanity. I am not a buttoned-up, structured, month-end close accountant. That would drive me batsh1t. HelenaExMachina 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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