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30 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document?

This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss.

Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. 

Minimum pro-rate fee billed to him via your boss - something at least enough to raise eyebrows, enough for several pricy drinks.  Plus have your boss give a healthy heads-up to his boss, noting that while you don’t *think* he was being sexist AF, you know how it would look from an HR perspective since he chose to ask you and not a male colleague (which I am sure he had several opportunities to choose from before asking you).   That way, they are both informed and can’t claim ignorance, and you’ve fired a warning shot, and have recourse if it happens again without having to address it directly.  Because the second time should be a “Big boys should have learned to wipe their own asses + fuck off” from you, and your bosses can sort it out.

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6 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document?

This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss.

Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. 

I would simply tell him that I’m not able to help and point him to this or that assistant/intern who always supports me with these tasks. Or to the person who can tell him which other colleague can assist him with the copies. It’s everybody’s own responsibility to find the answer or the right person to help them when they need assistance. Casually delegating something to someone whose job is not assisting you, because you can’t do it yourself/ask the right person is just lazy, and that doesn’t reflect well on someone at a workplace. 

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7 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document?

This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss.

Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. 

I would have laughed at him, told him I am not an intern, and asked him if he would do next month's SEC filings for me.

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8 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document?

This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss.

Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. 

Curious what you said to him on this occasion?

Direct him to the operating manual.

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1 hour ago, Derfel Cadarn said:

Curious what you said to him on this occasion?

Direct him to the operating manual.

I was just so stunned I said, “sure” and I don’t think my (and his - they are the same person) boss overheard because he was busy chatting with the audit partner.

Next time, I won’t say anything at that time, or I will give him the names of our interns.

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2 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

Next time, I won’t say anything at that time, or I will give him the names of our interns.

Why are internships still a thing? It’s such an immoral practice. Just start with entry level positions and pay them accordingly.

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2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Why are internships still a thing? It’s such an immoral practice. Just start with entry level positions and pay them accordingly.

Our interns do get paid. $16/hr.

It is not an “entry level” position because these are college sophomores or juniors who are here for maybe a month or two in the summer.

We typically invite the good ones back for another summer and then extend an offer for full time employment (starting at a much better salary than $16/hr) for the top ones.

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6 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

Our interns do get paid. $16/hr.

It is not an “entry level” position because these are college sophomores or juniors who are here for maybe a month or two in the summer.

We typically invite the good ones back for another summer and then extend an offer for full time employment (starting at a much better salary than $16/hr) for the top ones.

I glad to hear your firm is one of the generous ones, but I have not encountered a ton of people who've had the same experience. Most have described unpaid internships or ones that pay you so little that you're lucky to break even on gas just driving to it. The valuable experience they say you'll get as a trade off is more like what you described before, being asked to make copies or get your boss' coffee. I'm rather lucky in that every internship I've had has led to a paid position, but I've also been on the other side of that, being forced to encourage a few dozen interns to work harder for a job opportunity that probably doesn't exist. It's fair to say there are some good internship programs, but I suspect they're massively outnumbered by ones that are just looking for free labor while offering very little that's going to help an individual outside of gaining a reference and something to put on their resumes. 

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Bwa ha ha.

My current workplace and I have reverted back to the old status quo.

I work for 4.5 hours a day and I screw around for the remaining 3.5. 
 

This shall continue until they give me the raise I requested or they actually work up the courage to fire me.

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7 hours ago, A True Kaniggit said:

Bwa ha ha.

My current workplace and I have reverted back to the old status quo.

I work for 4.5 hours a day and I screw around for the remaining 3.5. 
 

This shall continue until they give me the raise I requested or they actually work up the courage to fire me.

We have a rating system at work, 1-5 for performance and development reviews. I will continue being a solid 3 until I retire in 8 years and 10 months. 

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I went full Office Space a couple years ago, pushing it to make two hours worth of work look like eight and every review I've had since has said my work is excellent and I've gotten a raise each time. I strive to do less and less each day.

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On 6/20/2022 at 8:19 PM, Chataya de Fleury said:

What does one actually say to a male colleague who asks me to make him a copy of a document?

This colleague is at the same level but seems to think he is my boss.

Hopefully, he won’t ever again ask me to make copies, but if he does, I need to be prepared. 

Don't say anything at all. Just hold out your hand and when he gives you the document, before he even turns away, immediately throw it in the garbage and go back to what you were doing.

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19 hours ago, A True Kaniggit said:

I work for 4.5 hours a day and I screw around for the remaining 3.5. 

What sort of job is that?  I ask because I've never worked anywhere in which there wasn't more work, and more and more all the time, with no room for goofing off.  I must have done something wrong.

 

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2 hours ago, Zorral said:

What sort of job is that?  I ask because I've never worked anywhere in which there wasn't more work, and more and more all the time, with no room for goofing off.  I must have done something wrong.

 

I work in the billing department of a lab. My workload depends on the number of patients we have daily. (Not enough to keep me busy for 8 hours currently)

 

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5 hours ago, Zorral said:

What sort of job is that?  I ask because I've never worked anywhere in which there wasn't more work, and more and more all the time, with no room for goofing off.  I must have done something wrong.

 

We're literally months behind in the department I work in. But I'm essentially my own boss with zero oversight, and because I regularly find problems that are costing us tens of thousands a day and fix them quickly no one who matters cares that I screw off most of the day. Patients always giving me great reviews also helps. 

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5 hours ago, Zorral said:

What sort of job is that?  I ask because I've never worked anywhere in which there wasn't more work, and more and more all the time, with no room for goofing off.  I must have done something wrong.

 

My job is strange in that it is a months-long lull of reading The Financial Times and watching Bloomberg News and doing various background sh1t, and then, for 30 days at a time (75 days after year-end) is balls to the wall 20 hours a day insanity. Oh, and an insane streak can also occur at any time that my overlords decide to restructure our debt, acquire another company, or issue equity.

I do love my job. I love the insanity.

I am not a buttoned-up, structured, month-end close accountant. That would drive me batsh1t.

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