Roswell Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Was there a plan from Varys to hijack Ned's escort to the Wall and send him to Essos to serve King Viserys (the third of his name) and his sister, Princess Daenerys? Ned could be convinced to support the Targaryens, in my opinion. If a successful rebellion can change the rules and order of succession, so can a triumphant conquest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Claude Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Roswell said: Was there a plan from Varys to hijack Ned's escort to the Wall and send him to Essos to serve King Viserys (the third of his name) and his sister, Princess Daenerys? Ned could be convinced to support the Targaryens, in my opinion. If a successful rebellion can change the rules and order of succession, so can a triumphant conquest. There is no way that Ned would agree to that, he’d rather go up to the Wall. And neither of the Targaryen siblings would even want Eddard as an advisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, Roswell said: Was there a plan from Varys to hijack Ned's escort to the Wall and send him to Essos to serve King Viserys (the third of his name) and his sister, Princess Daenerys? Ned could be convinced to support the Targaryens, in my opinion. If a successful rebellion can change the rules and order of succession, so can a triumphant conquest. I hope you're joking, sir. No. First off, as @Canon Claude pointed out, there's no way that he'd agree to that. This is, recall, the fool who told Cersei he was going to effectively lop off her and her children's heads (through Robert) and instead of taking them in hand and locking them up, he gave her time to prepare and toss him into a dungeon. Also, I highly doubt he'd consent to leaving all his children behind to serve a Targaryen. Second, as stated above, why the hell would Dany trust Eddard Stark, one of the Usurper's dogs who was Robert's right hand and best friend, and then consented to serve as his Hand? This is a nice fantasy/fanfic, but not realistic or feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Varys and Illyrio were waiting for the proper moment to murder Ned Stark. He’s a good man serving and enabling a bad cause. It was only a matter of time before they put him out of the picture. Ned is a staunch conservative with his head up his ass. He was not going to oppose Stannis’ claim even if the Targaryens’ were better. Ned loved the Baratheons. He was one of the Usurper’s Dogs. I like Ned but I think his family was plotting against Aerys. For that reason, his death was a long time coming and not undeserved if he was part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionIsntReal Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, Paul Serone said: Varys and Illyrio were waiting for the proper moment to murder Ned Stark. Varys is shocked & upset when Joffrey ordered Ned's execution after Varys had gotten Ned to agree to a deal in which he took the black. Quote I like Ned but I think his family was plotting against Aerys. For that reason, his death was a long time coming and not undeserved if he was part of it. Do you have any evidence that Ned's family was "plotting" rather than Brandon just acting rashly? And what would Ned, fostered off the in the Eyrie and not even the heir to Winterfell, actually be doing himself to deserve death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Just now, FictionIsntReal said: Varys is shocked & upset when Joffrey ordered Ned's execution after Varys had gotten Ned to agree to a deal in which he took the black. Sure, because Cersei had already agreed to make him take the black. Just now, FictionIsntReal said: Do you have any evidence that Ned's family was "plotting" rather than Brandon just acting rashly? And what would Ned, fostered off the in the Eyrie and not even the heir to Winterfell, actually be doing himself to deserve death? Rickard and Robert were disloyal to set themselves in a position where they could threaten their king. Rickard, instead of begging forgiveness, challenged Brandon’s sentence. Aerys would not have ordered the executions of Robert and Ned if they were not guilty of treason. Rickard and Robert were building an alliance against the Targaryens using marriages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionIsntReal Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Paul Serone said: Sure, because Cersei had already agreed to make him take the black. But if Varys wanted Ned dead why would he be upset? Quote Rickard and Robert were disloyal to set themselves in a position where they could threaten their king. [...] Rickard and Robert were building an alliance against the Targaryens using marriages. Lords Paramount do not require the king's permission to arrange marriages for their children. Quote Rickard, instead of begging forgiveness, challenged Brandon’s sentence. Rickard demanded his right to a trial by combat, the same right that Tyrion demands (and receives) on multiple occasions. Even when he's on trial for killing the king! Quote Aerys would not have ordered the executions of Robert and Ned if they were not guilty of treason. Aerys blamed a mistress of his (and her family) for the death of an infant son of his, but then later repented. He was the Mad King, he killed people on an unjustifiable basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Paul Serone said: I like Ned but I think his family was plotting against Aerys. For that reason, his death was a long time coming and not undeserved if he was part of it. 1 hour ago, Paul Serone said: Rickard and Robert were disloyal to set themselves in a position where they could threaten their king. Rickard, instead of begging forgiveness, challenged Brandon’s sentence. Aerys would not have ordered the executions of Robert and Ned if they were not guilty of treason. Rickard and Robert were building an alliance against the Targaryens using marriages. You Aerys apologists make me laugh. Are you just so much of a pro-Targaryen that you'll defend anyone as long as their bloodline is pure, or do you just hate the Starks that much? And I'm not even a Stark stan either, but I'll be damned if Ned deserved to die. Brandon was an utter imbecile, I'll grant you that. But as far as anyone is concerned, the crown prince kidnapped and abducted the daughter of a Lord Paramount, engaged to marry another Lord Paramount. That kind of behaviour is deeply problematic and upsetting to the Targaryens' position. Just three generations back, a Lord Paramount rebelled against the Crown because of a broken engagement. And as someone else said, Rickard was only demanding his due in court; it was Aerys who cheated. And moreover, he goes on to order the executions of two men who had literally nothing to do with Brandon's stupidity, as they were all the way in the Vale. And he orders Jon Arryn to cut off his wards' heads, even after he executed Arryn's own heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Roswell said: Ned could be convinced to support the Targaryens No, he couldn't. We have the advantage of having his point of view. Ned's care for the Targaryens is pretty limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggBlue Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Paul Serone said: Aerys would not have ordered the executions of Robert and Ned if they were not guilty of treason. Rickard and Robert were building an alliance against the Targaryens using marriages. do you honestly believe that?! even Aerys's son wasn't sure of his dady's senses: Quote “Not every man is what he seems, and a prince especially has good cause to be wary … but go too far down that road, and the mistrust can poison you, make you sour and fearful.” King Aerys was one such. By the end, even Rhaegar saw that plain enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 22 hours ago, Roswell said: Was there a plan from Varys to hijack Ned's escort to the Wall and send him to Essos to serve King Viserys (the third of his name) and his sister, Princess Daenerys? Ned could be convinced to support the Targaryens, in my opinion. If a successful rebellion can change the rules and order of succession, so can a triumphant conquest. I would think it solved a problem for Varys. It gets Ned out of the picture without calling for an assassin. King Viserys III, if my memory of chronology is correct, was already dead. Khal Drogo was already on the team bus for the reconquest of Westeros. Ned had nothing to offer. It’s really too bad. If Ned had been at the Dothraki Sea, under the Red Comet, when Daenerys and her dragons came out of the fire, he would have bent his knees and seen the true light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just because Ned thinks killing a thirteen year old girl who's pregnant is bad, that doesn't mean he's ready to serve them. Not to mention Ned would need about 10 seconds to figure out what Viserys is about. Nevermind both of them think of Ned as the Usurper's dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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