Lord Varys Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Stannis was not only aware that he didn't execute Mance, he also went to Storm's End to murder Renly. He only listens to Melisandre and decides to espouse the red falcon because Selyse promises him in the Prologue that Melisandre will give him Renly's army. The idea that Stannis should sent pregnant Mel to murder Penrose at Storm's End but not realize that the point he and Mel had sex the first time wasn't to create a shadow assassin the murder Renly is laughable. Stannis would have to be a complete moron to believe that. Not only that, but he would have to be a religious lunatic/Mel fanatic to actually go to Storm's End and believe some god he doesn't actually believe in would magicall cause his brother's death. Stannis threatens Renly, gives him an ultimatum, and goes through with the murder when Renly doesn't give in. After the fact he feels guilt and remorse and tries to distance himself from the crime he committed, but that's a very visible attempt to exonerate himself. As for the duty of the NW: I'm sorry, but there is no internal hint that anyone in Westeros ever viewed the NW as an institution serving all realms of men - only the realms of men serving and maintaining the NW, i.e. those south of the Wall who sent men, food, armor, weapons, etc. up to the Wall to man it. There is no indication that the wildlings ever supported the Watch in a similar capacity - in fact, the story about Joramun and the Night's King (which takes place not that long after the original building of the Wall) indicates that even back then the Starks of Winterfell and the wildlings beyond the Wall were enemies - they only teamed up to defeat their common enemy, the Night's King. Jon's decision to number the wildlings among the men the NW is sworn to protect is clearly a new interpretation of the vow, not something that was part of the original setup. Or rather: We would assume that the ancestors of the wildlings faced a choice back when the Wall was built: Stay south of it, help to build it, be a part of the realms of men who stand firm and true against the Others ... or return/go north of the Wall into the land of the Others and live and die there on their own terms. It is, of course, also possible that the Northmen and other Westerosi later drove certain tribes and clans north of the Wall into exile, etc. but so far nothing indicates that, either. It seems the wildlings lived always where they live now. The very idea that a wall cutting Westeros in half is supposed to protect the people on both sides of that wall makes no sense. If it is a barrier - and it is a barrier - then it can only protect the folks in the south or the north, not both. Northern Sword and Morte 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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