Lothston, Whent, Blackwood and Stark bloodlines.

[Wolfcrow]

Throughout the novels, in many instances we have hints, about warging and greenseer ability, probably, passing down maternally. Even though, the Stark kids have Blackwood blood because of Alys, still, their active powers could not pass down by Ned alone, since he is a man. But we have clues, about Cat's bloodline being magical too.

First about the Starks: Some members are known for melancholy and iciness, while others have a wildness sometimes called "wolf blood". So, there are ,possibly, two magical bloodlines in theirs, one with "ice powers" and one with "green powers". Ice magic is probably from the father's side, since it's connected with the Nigh'ts King and it looks like is passing down paternally. The second one is the green magic and got in the bloodline, because of Warg King's daughters and the daughter of Marsh King.

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The Warg King was a monarch and a skinchanger and ruled Sea Dragon Point. He was allied with the children of the forest, but they were defeated by the Kings of Winter of House Stark. The Starks killed his sons, beasts, and greenseers, but took his daughters as prizes.

Marsh King was the title of the ruler of the crannogmen in the Neck thousands of years before the War of Conquest. The Marsh King was a "first among equals", often thought to be touched by the old gods. Songs claim the Marsh Kings rode lizard-lions and wielded frog spears. Thousands of years ago, Rickard Stark, the King in the North, killed the last of the Marsh Kings and married his daughter.

 

Starks has green blood from these, there are other marriges after that too, with Blackwoods and other northern Houses. So, there is the green gene because of the Starks too, but it's not the sole reason why the kids have active powers, since it was passed down by Ned.

And that brings us to Cat's blood. Catelyn is Whent from her mothers side, even though we don't know a lot about them, we have the quote about the "wolf with bat's wings",that gives as the idea about them having mogical blood.

The Whents were originally knights in the service of the Lothstons. When Lady Danelle Lothston went mad during the reign of King Maekar I Targaryen, the Whents received Harrenhal for their role in defeating the Lothstons. They blazon their arms depict nine black bats displayed over a yellow gold field. So probably they had blood relation with Lothstons, since their arms were a black bat on a field divided bendwise, silver and gold. In Westeros arms belong to a family, and any trueborn child may use the family arms, though many (most often not firstborn sons) choose to adopt their own personal arms, usually a minor variation on the arms of their house. Bastards do not have the right to use the arms of their families. Thus, a typical Westeros custom is that a bastard using a sigil (when knighted, for example) adds a distinction. So, Whents are most likely blood related to Lothsons.

House Lothston held Harrenhal until three or four generations before ASOIAF and were a powerful house which once loomed large in the histories of the Seven Kingdoms. We see that Lothstons had conection with magic and the most prominent member with a strong connection to magic, supported Bloodraven.

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Danelle had long red hair (Very cat and Sansa reminiscent btw) and wore tight-fitting black armor. A story told to misbehaving children said that on moonless nights giant bats would fly from Harrenhal and take the bad children back to Mad Danelle. Jaime Lannister recalls hearing stories about her bathing in blood and presiding over feasts of human flesh. When Lord Brynden Rivers marched on Whitewalls to quash the Second Blackfyre Rebellion, Lady Danelle was among the riverlords who came in support, marching in great strength.

All of this weird blood magic, cannibalism and bat-warging reminds me a lot of the blood sacrifises to the Trees and the alleged things still practiced in Skagos. Both of them greatly connected to the old gods and green magic.

So, we have powers from Cat's line too, plus Tullys most definitely at some point had Blackwood blood in their line too, since both of them are major Riverlands' Houses.

And last but not least, we have the Blackwoods.

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According to the traditions of House Blackwood, the family once controlled most of what is now the wolfswood before being driven from the north by the Kings of Winter, the Starks of Winterfell.

Thus, the name was not wolfswood before the Starks took over and most of it was ruled by the Blackwoods. But if not wolfswood, then what? Greenwood would be a good name for the forest ,it's a huge green wood, but also because there are weirwoods through out the forest and cotf, wargs and greenseers were living in the forest too. The majority of the wood it's green with oaks, evergreen, black brier and Ironwood (which has black wood btw). The Greenwoods was a northern house too, which we don't know much about, except that the Kings of winter vanquished. The name suggest, probably, two things either they were rulers in a really green woody area or had green men powers, so wargs greenseers and close to the old gods and cotf, so I would place them probably somewhere in the woolfswood too.

Parts of the wolfswood were reduced to ashes by Harrag Hoare, King of the Iron Islands, so the wood was bigger in the past with Sea Dragon's point being a part of it.

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Legends say the Grey King slew the sea dragon Nagga, after which the Drowned God turned the sea dragon's bones to stone. The Grey King allegedly carved the first longship from the pale wood of Ygg, a demon tree which fed on human flesh.

To me looks like Ygg was a weirwood at Sea Dragon's point and the place was woody and most definitely cotf and wargs were living there. Then, it makes sense for the Warg King to be there, we don't know how big the part that ruled was, but since he was warg and close to the children of the forest, I'm guessing he was going deep into the woods and control a big part of it . From all of these, my hypothesis is Blackwood=Greenwood=Warg King. We see that "The Starks killed his sons, beasts, and greenseers, but took his daughters as prizes" but killing every descendant it's not very easy, concidering that the members had powers too, most likely some of them fled from North.

We know that Blackwoods have green magic in their bloodline, but the colours associated with them are black and red and not green. The colour green through out the story is associated with tcotf, wargs, green men and nature, on the other side black is the colour of death and dark, along with red which is closely related to blood and fire. They went from a fully green place with magic around them, to a house that has Black in the name and has a dead weirwood as a sigil and as a heart tree.

Part 2 ---> Blackwood Heart tree.

[Megorova]

I have a theory that explains from whom ASOIAF's characters inherited their skinchanging abilities.

 

God-on-Earth + wife = children (Emperors of the Dawn Empire)

Amethyst Empress + husband = Azor Ahai

Azor Ahai + Tiger-woman (Bloodstone Emperor's widow, a cat-skinchanger, and Azor Ahai's fifth wife) = a son - founder of House Swann (Swanns are shadowbinders, bloodmages, and skinchangers)

Johanna Swann + Lysandro Rogare = Larra Rogare (Aegon IV's mother)

Aegon IV + Falena Stokeworth = Jeyne Lothston

Aegon IV + Jeyne Lothston = the Bastard of Harrenhal / Manfred Lothston (was legitimized by his half-brother King Daeron II, after he betrayed his other half-brother - Daemon I Blackfyre, in the span of the First Blackfyre Rebellion) / Manfred of the Black Hood / founder of House Whent / grandfather of Lady Shella, Walter, Oswell, Sarya and Minisa Whent (mother of Catelyn, Lysa and Edmure Tully)

The Bastard thru both of his parents got one strain of skinchanging genes, thus he was born with the skinchanging abilities. He was warging into giant bats of Harrenhal, and used this ability to set up Danelle Lothston. The crimes in which she was accused, actually were commited by the Bastard/knight Whent.

Aegon IV + Melissa Blackwood = Mya Rivers

Mya Rivers + Blackwood-husband = Melantha and Betha Blackwoods

Betha + Aegon V Targaryen = children

Melantha + Willam Stark = Edwyle Stark + wife = Rickard + wife = Brandon, Ned, Lyanna, Benjen.

Ned + Catelyn Tully = their children are skinchangers, because they got skinchanging genes from both of their parents - thru Ned from Mya Rivers - a daughter of King Aegon IV, and a great-granddaughter of Johanna Swann, who was a descendant of the Tiger-woman; and thru Cat from the Bastard of Harrenhal, who was a son and grandson of Aegon IV.

The Bastard also had two strains of skinchanging DNA - one from his father (Aegon IV), who was a grandson of Johanna Swann, and one from his mother, who was a daughter of Aegon IV.

Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon Snow - a skinchanger who got two strains of skinchanging DNA, one from "Johanna - Larra - Aegon IV - Mya Rivers - Melantha Blackwood - Edwyle Stark - Rickard Stark - Lyanna", and one from "Johanna - Larra - Aegon IV - Mya Rivers - Betha Blackwood - Jaehaerys II - Aerys II - Rhaegar".

Larra Rogare (Johanna Swann's daughter) + Viserys II = Aegon IV, Naerys, Dragonknight

Naerys + Dragonknight = Daeron II

Naerys + Aegon IV = Daenerys

Daenerys + Maron Martell = children .... descendants ... Elia Martell.

Elia Martell + Rhaegar = princess Rhaenys (her skinchanging vessel was Balerion the cat).

The current Sealord of Braavos is also a descendant of Johanna-Larra-Aegon, thru Balerion Otherys - one of Aegon's bastards, born by Bellegere Otherys - a granddaughter of the Sealord of Braavos. Arya's Kindly Man, who is the leader of the Faceless Men, is the current Sealord of Braavos, and he is a cat-skinchanger, same as were Johanna Swann, Larra Rogare, Shiera Seastar and Arya Stark, because all of them are descendants of the Tiger-woman.

The Bastard of Harrenhal after his failure in the First Blackfyre Rebellion, and before he created House Whent, went to Braavos, where he apparently hooked up with one of his nieces - a daughter of his half-brother - Balerion Otherys. This woman gave birth to a son and a daughter, the son became a sellsword, and he is Petyr Baelish' great-grandfather. And the daughter of the Bastard married in Braavos, had kids, and then one of her descendants married with the mother of Brown Ben Plumm. So it's likely that Brown Ben is also a skinchanger, because he got one strain from the line of Viserys Plumm (Aegon IV's bastard), and the other strain from the Otheryses of Braavos. Viserys Plumm's daughter married with a Dothraki Khal, one of her children was a maternal grandfather of Brown Ben Plumm, and one of her other children was a grandfather of Khal Bharbo - father of Khal Drogo. Thus Drogo also was a carrier of one strain of skinchanging DNA. His son - Rhaego, got one strain from his father and one from his mother - Dany, who got her strain from "Betha Blackwood - Mya Rivers - Aegon IV - Larra Rogare - Johanna Swann - ... - Tiger-woman". So Rhaego is a skinchanger. And he is alive. And in AGOT, Dany IX, in Dany's fevered dreams there was a double point of view, beause in those dreams Dany was recolling how Rhaego was skinchanging into her body, and saw the world thru her eyes, and then thru his own eyes, while he was still inside Dany's body.

That's all kind of a jumbled mess, hard to understand. Though if you are interested in those topics, you can read more here, in my threads dedicated to the lineages of ASOIAF:

Swan Song part 16/16. Exotic fruits of family trees

Swan Song part 7/16. The Bastard of Harrenhal

[Corvo the Crow]

4 hours ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

Throughout the novels, in many instances we have hints, about warging and greenseer ability, probably, passing down maternally. Even though, the Stark kids have Blackwood blood because of Alys, still, their active powers could not pass down by Ned alone, since he is a man. But we have clues, about Cat's bloodline being magical too.

First about the Starks: Some members are known for melancholy and iciness, while others have a wildness sometimes called "wolf blood". So, there are ,possibly, two magical bloodlines in theirs, one with "ice powers" and one with "green powers". Ice magic is probably from the father's side, since it's connected with the Nigh'ts King and it looks like is passing down paternally. The second one is the green magic and got in the bloodline, because of Warg King's daughters and the daughter of Marsh King.

Starks has green blood from these, there are other marriges after that too, with Blackwoods and other northern Houses. So, there is the green gene because of the Starks too, but it's not the sole reason why the kids have active powers, since it was passed down by Ned.

And that brings us to Cat's blood. Catelyn is Whent from her mothers side, even though we don't know a lot about them, we have the quote about the "wolf with bat's wings",that gives as the idea about them having mogical blood.

The Whents were originally knights in the service of the Lothstons. When Lady Danelle Lothston went mad during the reign of King Maekar I Targaryen, the Whents received Harrenhal for their role in defeating the Lothstons. They blazon their arms depict nine black bats displayed over a yellow gold field. So probably they had blood relation with Lothstons, since their arms were a black bat on a field divided bendwise, silver and gold. In Westeros arms belong to a family, and any trueborn child may use the family arms, though many (most often not firstborn sons) choose to adopt their own personal arms, usually a minor variation on the arms of their house. Bastards do not have the right to use the arms of their families. Thus, a typical Westeros custom is that a bastard using a sigil (when knighted, for example) adds a distinction. So, Whents are most likely blood related to Lothsons.

House Lothston held Harrenhal until three or four generations before ASOIAF and were a powerful house which once loomed large in the histories of the Seven Kingdoms. We see that Lothstons had conection with magic and the most prominent member with a strong connection to magic, supported Bloodraven.

All of this weird blood magic, cannibalism and bat-warging reminds me a lot of the blood sacrifises to the Trees and the alleged things still practiced in Skagos. Both of them greatly connected to the old gods and green magic.

So, we have powers from Cat's line too, plus Tullys most definitely at some point had Blackwood blood in their line too, since both of them are major Riverlands' Houses.

And last but not least, we have the Blackwoods.

Thus, the name was not wolfswood before the Starks took over and most of it was ruled by the Blackwoods. But if not wolfswood, then what? Greenwood would be a good name for the forest ,it's a huge green wood, but also because there are weirwoods through out the forest and cotf, wargs and greenseers were living in the forest too. The majority of the wood it's green with oaks, evergreen, black brier and Ironwood (which has black wood btw). The Greenwoods was a northern house too, which we don't know much about, except that the Kings of winter vanquished. The name suggest, probably, two things either they were rulers in a really green woody area or had green men powers, so wargs greenseers and close to the old gods and cotf, so I would place them probably somewhere in the woolfswood too.

Parts of the wolfswood were reduced to ashes by Harrag Hoare, King of the Iron Islands, so the wood was bigger in the past with Sea Dragon's point being a part of it.

To me looks like Ygg was a weirwood at Sea Dragon's point and the place was woody and most definitely cotf and wargs were living there. Then, it makes sense for the Warg King to be there, we don't know how big the part that ruled was, but since he was warg and close to the children of the forest, I'm guessing he was going deep into the woods and control a big part of it . From all of these, my hypothesis is Blackwood=Greenwood=Warg King. We see that "The Starks killed his sons, beasts, and greenseers, but took his daughters as prizes" but killing every descendant it's not very easy, concidering that the members had powers too, most likely some of them fled from North.

We know that Blackwoods have green magic in their bloodline, but the colours associated with them are black and red and not green. The colour green through out the story is associated with tcotf, wargs, green men and nature, on the other side black is the colour of death and dark, along with red which is closely related to blood and fire. They went from a fully green place with magic around them, to a house that has Black in the name and has a dead weirwood as a sigil and as a heart tree.

Part 2 ---> Blackwood Heart tree.

What about Jon, who is/was the strongest warg among them? And how does the Blackoods preserve their warging/greenseeing abilities? All these threads claiming "oh, warging and stuff are passed down only through the mothers" while also claiming Blackwoods etc. have powerful magicks in their line fail to acknowledge the simple fact that houses are mostly continued through the male line.

[Wolfcrow]

32 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

What about Jon, who is/was the strongest warg among them? And how does the Blackoods preserve their warging/greenseeing abilities? All these threads claiming "oh, warging and stuff are passed down only through the mothers" while also claiming Blackwoods etc. have powerful magicks in their line fail to acknowledge the simple fact that houses are mostly continued through the male line.

Check out as far as greenseer abilities go, you will see that all of them with exception of the stark kids now, have it pass down by the mothers. Melantha is a woman, Alys again is a woman, the daugters of Marsh and warg king. From Garth kids we have rumors of greenseer abilities on lines from his daughters (ex. Cranes). Even starks they keep marrying their daugters with close bannermen and then they come back to the main line, bc they marry cousins. All the stories about stealing daughters, magical daughters.The fact that both lines have magical blood helps with the stark kinds, but it's not only from the Stark side, since starks seem to have a second magical line too. If Jon is Lyanna's son, then obviously he has the powers. The heritage is completely different, first men had a patriarchal system before the exposure to tCotF, so they kept this. If you think what we hear about sacrifices from humans to the gods, we have mostly women Swan maidens, Nissa nissa, the Amethyst empress etc etc. It seems that both can have powers, but it is passed down by women most likely. It's like with xy chromosome in men and xx in women, the both of them have the x but the y that is the one that provide the male gene it passes down only by men. Or the least, you need it from both sides, but considering all the myths it seams that in humans (since it's probably there because of interbreeding with magical folk and not natural) it passes down through females and even if the dad has it his bloodline, you need for the mum to have it too, for the kid to have active powers. It's like hemophilia. 

[Corvo the Crow]

13 minutes ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

Check out as far as greenseer abilities go, you will see that all of them with exception of the stark kids now, have it pass down by the mothers. Melantha is a woman, Alys again is a woman, the daugters of Marsh and warg king. From Garth kids we have rumors of greenseer abilities on lines from his daughters (ex. Cranes). Even starks they keep marrying their daugters with close bannermen and then they come back to the main line, bc they marry cousins. The fact that both lines have magical blood helps with the stark kinds, but it's not only from the Stark side, since starks seem to have a second magical line too. If Jon is Lyanna's son, then obviously he has the powers. The heritage is completely different, first men had a patriarchal system before the exposure to tCotF, so they kept this. If you think what we hear about sacrifices from humans to the gods, we have mostly women Swan maidens, Nissa nissa, the Amethyst empress etc etc. It seems that both can have powers, but it is passed down by women most likely. Or the least, you need it from both sides, but considering all the myths it seams that in humans (since it's probably there because of interbreeding with magical folk and not natural) it passes down through females. 

Jon, the wargest warg among the Stark children, who was so warg that he "heard" the Ghost, the mute direwolf, is the son of Lyanna Stark, who is the daughter of Lyarra Stark, who is the daughter of Arya FLINT! Brynden had a Blackwood mother, but who was Melissa's mother? Is lady Jyana, Jojen's crannogmen mother, the daughter of a Stark women? Also, how come the daughters that marry to other houses don't give birth to wargs and greenseers but cousins that marry back into the main line do?

[Megorova]

1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

is the son of Lyanna Stark, who is the daughter of Lyarra Stark, who is the daughter of Arya FLINT! Brynden had a Blackwood mother, but who was Melissa's mother?

Arya Flint's father was a son of Raya Stark. Melissa's mother was Mariah Stark. Raya and Mariah were daughters of Cregan Stark. Cregan's other two daughters born by Alysanne Blackwood - Sarra and Alys married with members of House Royce and Karstark. Lorra Royce was Sarra Stark's daughter, and Alys Karstark was Alys Stark's daughter.

Alys Karstark, who was a Stark on her mother's side, married with her uncle - Brandon Stark, who was Cregan Stark's 10th child. Two of Brandon's older brothers - Cregan's 6th and 7th children - Jonnel and Edric, also married with their nieces, with the daughters of Cregan's 1st child - Rickon Stark - Serena and Sansa.

Lorra Royce, who also was a Stark on her mother's side, married with Beron Stark, who was her first cousin. Beron's father - Brandon Stark (10th child of Cregan) was the youngest sibling of Lorra's mother - Sarra Stark, who was Cregan's 2nd child.

Cregan Stark had three wives and 10 children - 1 son with his first wife, 4 daughters with Alysanne Blackwood, and then 5 more children with Lynara Stark, who was Cregan's some sort of cousin. The descendants of all four of Cregan and Alysanne's daughters married back into House Stark - Lorra Royce (daughter of Sarra), Alys Karstark (daughter of Alys), Arya Flint (granddaughter of Raya), Melantha Blackwood (great-granddaughter of Mariah).

Mariah + Blackwood-husband = Melissa Blackwood + Aegon IV = Mya Rivers, Gwenis, Bloodraven.

Mya + Blackwood-husband = Melantha and Betha Blackwood.

So Aegon V's children and the Targaryens after them were all partially Starks.  

The Starks, starting from the children of Melantha Blackwood (who was a granddaughter of Aegon IV), were partially Targaryens, and the Targaryens, starting from the children of Betha Blackwood (who was a granddaughter of Mariah Stark), were partially Starks. So here we have those "winged wolves", if you get what I mean? While imagining those wolves think about them having leatherly wings, like dragon-wings, not featherly wings, like bird-wings.

[Wolfcrow]

1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Jon, the wargest warg among the Stark children, who was so warg that he "heard" the Ghost, the mute direwolf, is the son of Lyanna Stark, who is the daughter of Lyarra Stark, who is the daughter of Arya FLINT! Brynden had a Blackwood mother, but who was Melissa's mother? Is lady Jyana, Jojen's crannogmen mother, the daughter of a Stark women? Also, how come the daughters that marry to other houses don't give birth to wargs and greenseers but cousins that marry back into the main line do?

We don't see that many stark women get married outside the family and we don't have that many women in general considering how big their tree is. The houses we see them getting married to ,are first men houses with background on their own, so there were probably magical blood in their lines too. Royce, Flints, Umbers, Skagosi and other first men houses have magic in their bloodline too, we have stories from many of them and after they have all the women marrying starks again. Father's can have magic in their bloodline active or not, If the powers can pass down actively is completely different. You either need both parents to be magical, but most definitely you need at least the mother. If fathers could pass it and be active, then every bastard would have powers, but they don't. 

[direpupy]

25 minutes ago, Megorova said:

Arya Flint's father was a son of Raya Stark. Melissa's mother was Mariah Stark. Raya and Mariah were daughters of Cregan Stark.

There are no marriages or children given in any of the books for Raya and Mariah Stark so you are just making this up yourself, half of the rest of what you say is depended on you having made up marriages and children for them, so all in all what you say is not likely at all.

[direpupy]

25 minutes ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

  If fathers could pass it and be active, then every bastard would have powers, but they don't. 

The same can be said for mothers, so most likely you need both parents to pass on a gene so that you you have a set of 2 and that's whats makes the genes create active magic.

[Wolfcrow]

46 minutes ago, direpupy said:

The same can be said for mothers, so most likely you need both parents to pass on a gene so that you you have a set of 2 and that's whats makes the genes create active magic.

How many bastard do we know from mothers? Some of them like bloodraven sure had it, he had dragonblood too, but his green powers are strong, so it passing down. The thing is if a mother has it and has a child, the child will stay in the family 99% without anyone know ,if they are a bastard or not for sure.  Yes there is a possibility you need both of them, but considering that Cranes have a rumor about women only and all older marriages bring their women back in their lines it is stronger or at least easier to pass down by women. 

[Corvo the Crow]

8 hours ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

We don't see that many stark women get married outside the family and we don't have that many women in general considering how big their tree is. The houses we see them getting married to ,are first men houses with background on their own, so there were probably magical blood in their lines too. Royce, Flints, Umbers, Skagosi and other first men houses have magic in their bloodline too, we have stories from many of them and after they have all the women marrying starks again. Father's can have magic in their bloodline active or not, If the powers can pass down actively is completely different. You either need both parents to be magical, but most definitely you need at least the mother. If fathers could pass it and be active, then every bastard would have powers, but they don't. 

What about Jyana? Is She a secret Stark or Blackwood? And how come it is mostly the males that present the abilities? Of the Reed siblings, Meera has no abilities, in Starks we don’t see Sansa doing much warging before lady is killed and Arya’s wolf dreams have started late compared with her Siblings, even Rickon starts warging at the age of 3. How about beyond the Wall? How many female wargs have we seen? Your pot is so cracked it’s leaking all over. And Starks marrying daughter of the vanquished? It’s common practice to establish Legitimacy. Tyrion is married to Sansa and Ramsay to fArya. 

[Wolfcrow]

9 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

What about Jyana? Is She a secret Stark or Blackwood? And how come it is mostly the males that present the abilities? Of the Reed siblings, Meera has no abilities, in Starks we don’t see Sansa doing much warging before lady is killed and Arya’s wolf dreams have started late compared with her Siblings, even Rickon starts warging at the age of 3. How about beyond the Wall? How many female wargs have we seen? Your pot is so cracked it’s leaking all over. And Starks marrying daughter of the vanquished? It’s common practice to establish Legitimacy. Tyrion is married to Sansa and Ramsay to fArya. 

Its different having the power active and different passing it down. This is why I gave hemophilia as an example. 99% mothers are inactive,and they pass it down to their kinds daughters and sons , the difference is that daughters are inactive and they pass it down again, while men are hemophiliac with symptoms. I don't say that men cannot have it active I say that if it's not active from them it probably doesn't pass, problem that women don't have, at least with the clues that we have. If Howland is active we don't need the mam to be too, but stark kids don't have an active dad. We see many male bloodlines having magic, but not active power, but we also see them having bastards all the time and these kids most often than not, don't have powers, so no father's cannot pass it if the aren't active. On the other side we see bastard from women like bloodraven and they have it. 

[Corvo the Crow]

2 minutes ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

Its different having the power active and different passing it down. This is why I gave hemophilia as an example. 99% mothers are inactive,and they pass it down to their kinds daughters and sons , the difference is that daughters are inactive and they pass it down again, while man are active. I don't say that men cannot have it active I say that if it's not active from them it probably doesn't pass, I problem that women don't have, at least with the clues that we have. If Howland is active we don't need the mam to be too, but stark kids don't have an active dad. 

It passes down through the X chromosome which Jojen would get from his MOTHER, not Howland.

[Wolfcrow]

Just now, Corvo the Crow said:

It passes down through the X chromosome which Jojen would get from his MOTHER, not Howland.

It doesn't pass with this specific chromosome. I gave it as an example. Hemophilia is a better parallel. Hemophiliac men have hemophiliac children men and women, women have hemophiliac tendencies without them being active and they still can pass it down actively though. It's not in the chromosome it's similar to the chromosome

[Wolfcrow]

3 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

It passes down through the X chromosome which Jojen would get from his MOTHER, not Howland.

Howland were in the isle of god, he sure is active. And we don't know his wife, but crannogmen again marry each other.

[Corvo the Crow]

1 minute ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

It doesn't pass with this specific chromosome. I gave it as an example. Hemophilia is a better parallel. Hemophiliac men have hemophiliac children men and women, women have hemophiliac tendencies without them being active and they still can pass it down actively though. It's not in the chromosome it's similar to the chromosome

If not in chromosome, midichlorians then?

[Wolfcrow]

27 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

If not in chromosome, midichlorians then?

Ts...If you take it as hemophilia, inactivity passes only through women, for women to be active you need it from both sides (so its more difficult for them to be active), but they still have it and they can pass it. Men can have it active if they have it on the mothers side(active or not), only, they don't need both sides.

There is always the possibility that if something happen in the meantime and not since birth, you can start having hemophilia actively even though it's pretty rare. Which reminds me a lot of jojen tbh, he said it himself that is pretty weird that he have it and he is not a real one, and they don't know why this happened. And this started after he caught the sickness they have in the neck. Even though he shouldn't have this sickness either in the first place, bc he is crannogman, so I don't think jojen is the best example. 

 

Edit: dud, you made me search about hemophilia 8.30 in the morning.

[Fool Stands On Giant’s Toe]

Any theories on a mix of bloodlines producing a particular ability?

Example. When house X breeds with house Y you get ability1 children.

House V breeds with House Z you get ability2 children.

A child of ability1 blood breeds with a child of ability2 creating a power1 child? 
 

 Has anyone done the research on breeding recipes? Any examples of the incarnation of an ancestor from a family tree? Would that be a sacrifice to a weir wood?

[Wolfcrow]

1 hour ago, Fool Stands On Giant’s Toe said:

Any theories on a mix of bloodlines producing a particular ability?

Example. When house X breeds with house Y you get ability1 children.

House V breeds with House Z you get ability2 children.

A child of ability1 blood breeds with a child of ability2 creating a power1 child? 
 

 Has anyone done the research on breeding recipes? Any examples of the incarnation of an ancestor from a family tree? Would that be a sacrifice to a weir wood?

An exaple of that is Bloodraven. He has Blackwood/greenseer from his mother and dragonblood from his dad, we  don't know about powers that has from the dragon's blood, but he has strong green powers. The same for Jon if R+L it's true, it seems he have the powers from his mother side stronger, we havent see him with dragons yet, so we don't know, but for sure he has warging ability.

[Willam Stark]

2 hours ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

The same for Jon if R+L it's true, it seems he have the powers from his mother side stronger, we havent see him with dragons yet, so we don't know, but for sure he has warging ability.

Well, in this case, he has Blackwood ancestry on both sides, combined to his Stark ancestry. About Bloodraven, his paternal grandmother, Larra Rogare, was likely a cat skinchanger. In fact, she was suspected to use cats as spies, because a lot of them were coming and going in her chambers frequently. Some people even said that she was able to transform herself into a cat, which is a common rumor when people talk about wargs and they (The Wargs) are feared for that.

5 hours ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

This is why I gave hemophilia as an example. 99% mothers are inactive,and they pass it down to their kinds daughters and sons , the difference is that daughters are inactive and they pass it down again, while men are hemophiliac with symptoms.

Bad example, we have both males and females skinchangers.

15 hours ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

Check out as far as greenseer abilities go, you will see that all of them with exception of the stark kids now, have it pass down by the mothers.

This is enough to debunk this claim, you need the skinchanging gene(s) on both sides to be an active skinchanger.

15 hours ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

The fact that both lines have magical blood helps with the stark kinds, but it's not only from the Stark side, since starks seem to have a second magical line too.

Nobody said it on this thread, you are making things up.

15 hours ago, Forward-Speaker-5979 said:

All the stories about stealing daughters, magical daughters.

Same-sex couples cannot have children of their own blood, nothing weird here.