Sly Wren Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 13 hours ago, LynnS said: It's just one opinion. I'm filling in the blanks with what makes sense to me at the moment. I reserve the right to change my mind at any time. It's not even a very interesting idea as far as storytelling. One thing I'm more certain about is that the love story between Lyanna and Rhaegar is on shakey ground. Agreed--And I reserve the same right (a good thing, since I change my mind all the time!). As for the "Love Story"--the ground is very shaky. Not gone--can't say that until/unless we get more books. But shaky. And porous. 13 hours ago, LynnS said: What are the outcomes for Arthur as Jon's father? What is the shape of that story? Not sure--but I think a key point is a Day's King. The Sword of the Morning. Throwing down the Night's King--like the old story. Exactly what that looks like . . . not sure. I put up an OP a while ago that Jon will finally execute the person in the Black Gate. I think the Night's King was "thrown down"--not executed justly as Ned taught his kids to do. Instead, the fallen Night's King got tortured for power (turned into the Black Gate) instead of executed with justice. Vengeance and power cause chaos, darkness, winter. Justice comes with Dawn. I think it's one of the key conflicts of the novels--the cruelty of the Others, torture killing Raymar for pleasure in the the Game Prologue, vs. Ned's justice, the beginning of the first chapter of Game, riding out to administer justice at Dawn. The "king's justice." I don't think that's the "King of Westeros." I think it's the justice of the Day's King (Sword of the Morning) vs. the power hungry shenanigans of the Night's King. I think Jon, "an old hand at Justice" (according to Bran in the first Game chapter), will administer justice with Dawn. I used to think that would end the problem of the seasons. But . . . I'm much less sure now. Given all of Martin's other stories, I'm thinking the damage that caused the crazy seasons might be permanent. And need to be dealt with ever so often in the fallen world that is Westeros. But all of that is clearly speculation. 2 hours ago, LynnS said: @Sly Wren If Ser Arthur is Jon's father. why would it be necessary to keep his lineage a secret? Ned fears Robert's jealousy. Maybe rightly. Maybe wrongly. Maybe both Ned and Lyanna overreacted--but they clearly fear something. And Robert doesn't hate Rhaegar and the Targs because they are Targs. He hates them because Rhaegar took the woman Robert loved away from him. So, Robert would hate any man who "took" his love away. Rhaegar, Arthur, or just Stable Boy #4. And Ned fears that hate and rage. So--mum's the word about any father of Jon--if Jon's mom is Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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