Rhom Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 hours ago, butterweedstrover said: The genre is too long. I think the era of the door stopper fantasy has essentially passed though. (If that’s what you’re referencing.) Other than Sanderson, I don’t really see anyone else writing the 1000 page epics that were once the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninefingers Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, Rhom said: Other than Sanderson, I don’t really see anyone else writing the 1000 page epics that were once the norm. George certainly isn't. [ducks for cover] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Rhom said: I think the era of the door stopper fantasy has essentially passed though. (If that’s what you’re referencing.) Other than Sanderson, I don’t really see anyone else writing the 1000 page epics that were once the norm. I guess. Though a lot of the stuff in the fantasy section of Barnes and Nobles like Liars Knot (M.A Carrick) or Jade Legacy (Fonda Lee) are huge. Then again I don't pick up those books to check the page count, maybe the paper is just really thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 12 hours ago, butterweedstrover said: The genre is too long. You shut your dirty mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigei Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Thanks to the recs here I started reading The Shadow of What Was Lost. I'm 1/3 in and cautiously optimistic that I'll like the rest of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-Winged Balrog Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 12:30 PM, Gigei said: Thanks to the recs here I started reading The Shadow of What Was Lost. I'm 1/3 in and cautiously optimistic that I'll like the rest of it. Mmmmm, if the book's title can be improved by cutting out 33% of words, I shudder to imagine what the text looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 6/30/2022 at 10:55 AM, Ninefingers said: I say this every time Sanderson comes up, but he's the Nick Cage of fantasy authors. He turns out dependable summer blockbusters and you know just what you're going to get: plot driven stories that aren't very deep and never make you think very hard, but are fun. Sanderson is the ramen of fantasy. It’s quick, available, and very “not bad”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, One-Winged Balrog said: Mmmmm, if the book's title can be improved by cutting out 33% of words, I shudder to imagine what the text looks like. Shadow What Was Lost? Not sure it scans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I’m still really enjoying Tad Williams sequel series “The Last King of Osten Ard”. And S.A. Chakrabourty’s “City of Brass” series is also excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argonath Diver Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I'm also enjoying Williams most recent publication! And have finally started with board favorite JV Jones as well. I suppose this belongs in What I'm Reading, but I do hope the final novel ramps everything up. So far I very much prefer the original Memory, Sorrow and Thorn and the Otherland series. I have all faith in Williams, who spends 2400 pages for a wild, 400 page final act. Still hoping this third novel pulls me in a bit more than it has so far. I adore his measured prose, though I know it's a bit plodding to many readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-Winged Balrog Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, polishgenius said: Shadow What Was Lost? Not sure it scans. The Shadow of Lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, One-Winged Balrog said: The Shadow of Lost. JJ Abrams has a lot to answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 56 minutes ago, Argonath Diver said: I'm also enjoying Williams most recent publication! And have finally started with board favorite JV Jones as well. I suppose this belongs in What I'm Reading, but I do hope the final novel ramps everything up. So far I very much prefer the original Memory, Sorrow and Thorn and the Otherland series. I have all faith in Williams, who spends 2400 pages for a wild, 400 page final act. Still hoping this third novel pulls me in a bit more than it has so far. I adore his measured prose, though I know it's a bit plodding to many readers. You can tell Into the Narrowdark is the first half of the final novel. And it does pick up toward the end. It stops before some big reveal that relates to The Heart of What Was Lost. Also ITN is much more satisfying if you have read The Brothers of the Wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argonath Diver Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I can see that as I progress! I did read the former novella but missed the latter. I suppose much of my issue is that I'm a bit Sithi- and Norn-ed out, as it were. I have spent a lot of time with Erikson and others, and the plight of the immortals doesn't engage me as much as the human element of fantasy worlds. Although I'm still enjoying the novel, it's become apparent that much of it would resonate more had I tracked down Brothers of the Wind prior to this series (and frankly had re-read The Heart of What Was Lost, as it never engaged me - again, I find weary immortals a bit tiresome). I can tell that the chapters I'm currently on are only juuuuust before some major events unfold, and I expect the remainder of the book to be a thrilling tease for the finale. Williams never disappointed me (well, except for that kitchen world in Otherland. Yeesh.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Argonath Diver said: I can see that as I progress! I did read the former novella but missed the latter. I suppose much of my issue is that I'm a bit Sithi- and Norn-ed out, as it were. I have spent a lot of time with Erikson and others, and the plight of the immortals doesn't engage me as much as the human element of fantasy worlds. Although I'm still enjoying the novel, it's become apparent that much of it would resonate more had I tracked down Brothers of the Wind prior to this series (and frankly had re-read The Heart of What Was Lost, as it never engaged me - again, I find weary immortals a bit tiresome). I can tell that the chapters I'm currently on are only juuuuust before some major events unfold, and I expect the remainder of the book to be a thrilling tease for the finale. Williams never disappointed me (well, except for that kitchen world in Otherland. Yeesh.) TBotW doesn’t read like you are dealing with immortals. The POV character for the book is Tinukede’ya so not an immortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teng Ai Hui Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 On 8/29/2022 at 3:28 AM, Argonath Diver said: ... Williams never disappointed me (well, except for that kitchen world in Otherland. Yeesh.) I just started the Otherland series. In which book is the kitchen world first introduced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkdaub Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I like Otherland better than the Osten Ard stuff, though it's been a while. On 8/28/2022 at 9:53 AM, One-Winged Balrog said: Mmmmm, if the book's title can be improved by cutting out 33% of words, I shudder to imagine what the text looks like. This post can be improved by acknowledging that the book's title is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-Winged Balrog Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Inkdaub said: I like Otherland better than the Osten Ard stuff, though it's been a while. This post can be improved by acknowledging that the book's title is good. I can improve the title: Broke: The Shadow of What Was Lost Woke: The Area Blocked From Light By The Thing Whose Location Is No Longer Known Bespoke variant is left as an exercise for the reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFR Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Since the topic is on my mind, Cradle should be on this list. The books are relatively short, but there are 11 of them (out of a planned 12). The word count is well over a million at this point. It also is probably one of the better epic fantasies out there. It's not Tolkien or Martin, but certainly better than authors such as Sanderson and Jordan (less ambitious in scope, but far better in execution). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 4 hours ago, One-Winged Balrog said: I can improve the title: Broke: The Shadow of What Was Lost Woke: The Area Blocked From Light By The Thing Whose Location Is No Longer Known Bespoke variant is left as an exercise for the reader. That which resides in the space behind a thing upon which light is shown but which can no longer manifest in the absence of the aforementioned thing on account of that thing no longer being found in any presumed location Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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