Padraig Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Zorral said: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/health/covid-deaths-now-younger-unvaccinated/index.html At least the fatality rate should follow the case rate (and ICU rate) downwards. But yes, a lot of people will die in the meantime. As for Omicron's danger v Delta. There has been more and more evidence pointing in that direction (even taking into account vaccination), so nice to have some more data on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 CDC seems to be modifying mask recommendations in response to what states are deciding for political reasons rather than epidemiological evidence. That is the opposite of how science policy advice is meant to go. Science policy advice gives the recommendation on purely scientific (best available objective information at the time), and politicians makes the political decision based on that advice (ignore, adopt, something in between). 1 hour ago, Padraig said: At least the fatality rate should follow the case rate (and ICU rate) downwards. But yes, a lot of people will die in the meantime. As for Omicron's danger v Delta. There has been more and more evidence pointing in that direction (even taking into account vaccination), so nice to have some more data on that. Meanwhile we've had almost 10% of the total deaths since the start of the pandemic up until yesterday in one day (8% of the total including today's deaths), as a result of this omicron thing. And I don;t think 5 deaths in one day is going to stay our biggest daily death count. Just as well it's 67%, or something like that, lower risk of death compared to delta. Because delta was more controllable, we slapped it in the face and it didn't cause many deaths. If you are 67% less likely to die, but there are 6000% more cases there are going to be more deaths (delta peak ~200 cases/day, omicron wave 12,000/day and counting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 The Medicago vaccine was approved by Canada today. I need to find more stories about it. That was stealth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 She's saying what we're all thinking Allegedly tin foil hats have been seen at the protest. Can neither confirm nor deny as have not been an eye witness myself. But it appears to come from the mouth of a protester on the ground who is saying, unironically, that they seem to work. As well as the crinkly fire blankets in sleeping bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 "New Research Points to Wuhan Market as Pandemic Origin" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/02/26/science/covid-virus-wuhan-origins.html Quote Scientists released a pair of extensive studies on Saturday that point to a market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the coronavirus pandemic. Analyzing data from a variety of sources, they concluded that the coronavirus was very likely present in live mammals sold in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019 and suggested that the virus twice spilled over into people working or shopping there. They said they found no support for an alternate theory that the coronavirus escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 "Experts warn that the end of the Omicron surge is not the end of the pandemic." https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/27/world/covid-19-tests-cases-vaccine#omicron-surge-covid As if we don't know this, at least some of us -- but as most people are jerkwaddies, probably they don't, and even if they do, they don't care because they are finished with covid. Quote . . . the rush to return to normality in light of an improving national outlook for coronavirus cases has many public health experts concerned that the end of the Omicron surge is incorrectly being conflated with the end of the pandemic. “Things are improving, but we still aren’t at a point where we’re getting out in front of this,” said Dr. Lynn R. Goldman, dean of the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University. Dr. Goldman said the new C.D.C. guidance was comparable to an “off ramp” from the pandemic, even though new variants could still emerge and the country’s health system, and public, is not equipped for another surge in cases. . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Zorral said: "Experts warn that the end of the Omicron surge is not the end of the pandemic." https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/27/world/covid-19-tests-cases-vaccine#omicron-surge-covid As if we don't know this, at least some of us -- but as most people are jerkwaddies, probably they don't, and even if they do, they don't care because they are finished with covid. Get with times, COVID is so last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 It's the Schrodinger's pandemic. It's neither over nor not over, until we get the variant that will replace omicron and find out if it will cause another wave of cases, hospital admissions and death or in the absence of significant public health measure just continue to perpetuate politically acceptable casualty rates. The most important thing to come out of the pandemic, which may not come out of the pandemic in many places, is better preparedness for the next major public health crisis: hospital capacity, equipment and staffing. ... And stockpiles of ivermectin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Omicron is less severe on an individual basis but...we have 4x the number of people in hospital with a COVID-19 infection than the Delta peak last year. 3% of the 12+ population is unvaxxed, they make up 12% of hospital cases. I've not seen data breaking down the hospital cases in 1x, 2x or 3x vaccinated yet. Omicron is still sending at least 2x vaxed people to hospital. 5 people in ICU, not far off the ICU peak during delta, I'm sure those people will feel comforted that omicron is less severe, as will the families of the handful who have recently deceased . A death that was announced yesterday was of a person who died from an unrelated cause in hospital but who was infected with COVID-19. It was reported to the media as such, but has not been added to the COVID-19 death toll. That gives me hope that official death stats will be only where COVID-19 was the cause or contributory. We are now in the 6 figure club having today passed 100,000 total official cases since the pandemic began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 13 hours ago, Which Tyler said: Get with times, COVID is so last year Medicine Nobel Prize for Putin. He single-handedly ended the Pandemic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 According to our largest hospital 70-80% of patients being admitted who are positive for COVID-19 have COVID-19 symptoms at the time of admission. Doesn't necessarily mean it is the COVID-19 symptoms that are causing them to go to hospital, but if they are being admitted for something else being sick with C-19 probably isn't helping with their primary condition. Edit: correction the hospital reports "...70-80% percent presenting because of Covid-19 symptoms..." So that's primary cases. Some of the 20-30% will be a mix of COVID as secondary or incidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Two interesting articles have appeared during the last days. One is about the detection of a highly divergent SARS-CoV-2 strain in Canada's deer, as divergent as Omicron, with recorded human infections. The new strain is a close relative to the deer variants found in Michigan. Unlike truckers, deer can cross the border without showing proof of vaccination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 The other(s) is about the origins of SARS-CoV-2. They are exhaustive studies using all available data to try to track the origin of the pandemic in Wuhan. They conclude there were (at least) two zoonotic jumps into humans at different dates at the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, rotting sea cow said: Two interesting articles have appeared during the last days. One is about the detection of a highly divergent SARS-CoV-2 strain in Canada's deer, as divergent as Omicron, with recorded human infections. The new strain is a close relative to the deer variants found in Michigan. Unlike truckers, deer can cross the border without showing proof of vaccination. Most of the border where the deer live is on water. Some could cross over if the lakes freeze over but not too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, rotting sea cow said: The other(s) is about the origins of SARS-CoV-2. They are exhaustive studies using all available data to try to track the origin of the pandemic in Wuhan. They conclude there were (at least) two zoonotic jumps into humans at different dates at the market. As pointed out online this is a weird framing. It's good to know that the wuhan market was the first major spreader, but it doesn't tell us the origin or patient zero or anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Kalibuster said: It's good to know that the wuhan market was the first major spreader, but it doesn't tell us the origin or patient zero or anything else I think one of the key parts is the presence of the two early lineages at the market. This is difficult to explain by alternative theories. For example, if a traveler from other region came to Wuhan and started the transmission chain with a superspreader event at the market, why do we have two lineages? Same with the lab leak theory. Of course, giving that the very early stages were silent, we might not see everything. The Chinese haven't been particularly open and in fact they have criticized these reports, but they haven't provided alternative explanations. D. Lowe wrote about it and probably explain things better than myself. https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/origins-pandemic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotting sea cow Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, maarsen said: Most of the border where the deer live is on water. Some could cross over if the lakes freeze over but not too many. Maybe they hitchhiked in a truck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 hours ago, maarsen said: Most of the border where the deer live is on water. Some could cross over if the lakes freeze over but not too many. Can't deer swim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 I imagine patient zero will never be known, since there is plenty of information to suggest the virus was floating around well before the Wuhan outbreak. They might find the index case for the Wuhan outbreak but that's probably about as far back as they will be able to go. What would be nice is to finally put to bed is the lab vs natural zoonosis matter. A patient zero would help but is not necessary to come to a robust conclusion that satisfies the scientific and political community. It will never satisfy everyone unless the finger is officially pointed to a lab origin, of a genetically engineered bioweapon, deliberately released into the world by the evil Chinese regime. Since that seems the most unlikely of official conclusions, there will remain plenty to fuel the conspiracy community for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 15 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: since there is plenty of information to suggest the virus was floating around well before the Wuhan outbreak Is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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