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28 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

I thought of another instance where mercy (probably) worked out: Egg had Glendon Ball pardoned at the end of The Mystery Knight. There’s a lot of foreshadowing that Glendon will be one of Egg’s kingsguard, so that was probably a wise choice.

Hm, not sure if he'd ever be accepted as Ser Quentyn Ball's son, tho, which would raise many issues in this situation.

Not to mention that Egg becomes a king in his thirties (33 or 34 maybe), making Glendon almost 40 by that time.

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46 minutes ago, Daeron the Daring said:

Hm, not sure if he'd ever be accepted as Ser Quentyn Ball's son, tho, which would raise many issues in this situation.

Not to mention that Egg becomes a king in his thirties (33 or 34 maybe), making Glendon almost 40 by that time.

ASOIAF tends to portray older warriors as “wiser and more skilled,” so I don’t think that’s too big of an issue. But Egg could also recommend him to his uncle or father at some point during their reigns.

Don’t know about the name. Maybe Glendon will decide to take his own name like Dunk did, and not the name of the dipshit who forced his wife to join the silent sisters so that he could live out his dream of being a bodyguard.

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You know, now that I think about it, I must wonder: Why wasn't Gael betrothed to either Viserys or Daemon? Gael was born around the year 80 (Viserys was born in 77, Daemon in 81, and Aemma in 82), so looking at the ages, it seems Gael could have been a suitable bride for either of Baelon's sons... so why wasn't she? Was it because she was 'simple minded'? If so, it seems quite strange a bard was able to seduce her just like that; you would think she would have been better protected, seeing as she was Alysanne's comfort child and constant shadow.

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On 9/10/2022 at 7:44 PM, zajaz said:

You know, now that I think about it, I must wonder: Why wasn't Gael betrothed to either Viserys or Daemon? Gael was born around the year 80 (Viserys was born in 77, Daemon in 81, and Aemma in 82), so looking at the ages, it seems Gael could have been a suitable bride for either of Baelon's sons... so why wasn't she? Was it because she was 'simple minded'? If so, it seems quite strange a bard was able to seduce her just like that; you would think she would have been better protected, seeing as she was Alysanne's comfort child and constant shadow.

I think she wasn't simple minded at all. Rather she wasn't married off to anyone because Alysanne was so attached to her; she did not want to give her up. And as to why she was not better guarded, well she either managed to slip her guards or her parents simply grew complacent due to her being so meek and shy, that they figured she wasn't going to misbehave in the first place. 

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I only just learned that Maekar was apparently king for twelve years? For some reason, I thought he was only king for two or three years like Jaehaerys II. And this means he also kept Bloodraven around for all that time. Egg got married before Aerys died, so I guess this means that either a) GRRM plans on writing about Maekar's court extensively or b) Dunk and Egg will be going on a lot of missions on behalf of Maekar during this time. (If George planned on skipping most of this period, I assume he'd just have Aerys live longer).

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There seems to be an aweful lot of unnecessarily fancy helmets. Both Robert and Renly had ones with antlers, Bluetooth the Ironborn has ravenwings on his, Flement Brax has a horsehead shaped one with a two feet long horn, Gendry has his bull one with horns and so does some Prester knight. Protrusions of any sort on a helmet are a bad idea for a variety of reasons, so it seems really strange that there are so many, particularly since some of the mentioned ones were worn into actual battle and not just a tourney. Not that they make a wjhole lot more sense in the later either.

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On 9/15/2022 at 10:44 AM, Lady Misery said:

There seems to be an aweful lot of unnecessarily fancy helmets. Both Robert and Renly had ones with antlers, Bluetooth the Ironborn has ravenwings on his, Flement Brax has a horsehead shaped one with a two feet long horn, Gendry has his bull one with horns and so does some Prester knight.

The author probably uses them as a device to mark particular characters or to show us hidden traits or qualities a character might possess. In terms of the back story, Robert's and Renly's antlered helms are references to the Horned Lord, indicative of their connection to Garth the Green and the fertility theme. Bluetooth is funny as well as interesting: ravens carry messages and are thus important to communication in the 7K. Bluetooth is a wireless technology for sharing data. So raven wings on helmets probably mark the wearer as capable of telepathic communication such as through dreams or through the weirwood. Bluetooth the Ironborn himself seems unremarkable but Mance also wears a helm with raven wings which should be telling us something.

Flement Brax's helm represents a unicorn, a rare and mystical creature in the universe, believed now to exist only on Skagos. Perhaps this symbolizes a rare magical trait all but lost to the rest of the continent. Interestingly, it was thought  a unicorn could only be trapped by a virgin maiden which kind of puts me in mind of Rhaegar and his inexplicable (to the book characters) crowning of Lyanna (the long spear on which he presents Lyanna the crown of roses being the horn). Night's King may have been a symbolic unicorn trapped by the irresistable NQ. Anyway, trying to decipher the special helms is fun. 

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I don’t know a lot about monarchical history—it’s not my field—but I often find myself reading about different historical figures on Wikipedia. I was thinking about the conversation on this site about how France is the only country in Europe never to have a queen regnant, so I looked to see if there were any powerful queen regents instead and ended up reading about Anne of France, who was the regent for her younger brother. I’ve theorized that Sansa will be raisin’ Bran later in the series, and I think this could be a good historical precedent for that. Granted, Anne doesn’t appear to have been featured in many historical retellings, which is where GRRM seems to get most of his inspiration (although she was apparently referenced in The Hunchback of Norte Dame lol).

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We know that 

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"Maester Luwin has delivered all my children," Catelyn said. 

A Game of Thrones - Catelyn II

and Robb was born in Riverrrun. So I assume that Luwin came with Catelyn from Riverrun after previous maester of Winterfell either died or left that castle. We also know that there was no sept and almost certainly none septas in there either b4 Catelyn become Lady of WF=> Septa Mordane might have also came from RR. After all it would be odd if Ned and Cat would allow someone they did not trust to have access to their children. So I assume that Cat already knew Mordane b4 she was hired.

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Well, there are some hints,clues, leads whatever about Jon's Targaryen name possibly being Aemon. For starters, he can't be Aegon since Rhaegar already had an Aegon as a son. We also know how he had developed a penpal quillpal relationship with Maester Aemon and that he revered him. Now to my random thought, Jon, who is in truth(to my belief of course) Aemon will, when lords come and try to install him to the throne will pass it off in favor of his brother just like his several times great uncle Aemon did. Which throne and which brother? Most likely Winterfell and Rickon.

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1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Well, there are some hints,clues, leads whatever about Jon's Targaryen name possibly being Aemon. For starters, he can't be Aegon since Rhaegar already had an Aegon as a son. We also know how he had developed a penpal quillpal relationship with Maester Aemon and that he revered him. Now to my random thought, Jon, who is in truth(to my belief of course) Aemon will, when lords come and try to install him to the throne will pass it off in favor of his brother just like his several times great uncle Aemon did. Which throne and which brother? Most likely Winterfell and Rickon.

There's also the bit where Jon cries, "I'm Aemon the Dragonknight!".

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On 9/17/2022 at 4:57 AM, The Bard of Banefort said:

I don’t know a lot about monarchical history—it’s not my field—but I often find myself reading about different historical figures on Wikipedia. I was thinking about the conversation on this site about how France is the only country in Europe never to have a queen regnant, so I looked to see if there were any powerful queen regents instead and ended up reading about Anne of France, who was the regent for her younger brother. I’ve theorized that Sansa will be raisin’ Bran later in the series, and I think this could be a good historical precedent for that. Granted, Anne doesn’t appear to have been featured in many historical retellings, which is where GRRM seems to get most of his inspiration (although she was apparently referenced in The Hunchback of Norte Dame lol).

I like that theory . however , if I were to bet on a younger brother that Sansa will raise and guide , it would be Rickon . Bran is already quite independent and wise . besides , the reference of "if a 12 yr old has to save the world, so be it" is likely about Bran and I don't see that  that Bran could be in any need of Sansa . 

 

@Corvo the Crow are there parallels between Paul and Arya and their relationship with their tutors?  ... regardless of that , I won't be surprised if Serio turns out to be connected to Faceless Men .

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On 9/22/2022 at 12:29 PM, EggBlue said:

I like that theory . however , if I were to bet on a younger brother that Sansa will raise and guide , it would be Rickon . Bran is already quite independent and wise . besides , the reference of "if a 12 yr old has to save the world, so be it" is likely about Bran and I don't see that  that Bran could be in any need of Sansa . 

 

@Corvo the Crow are there parallels between Paul and Arya and their relationship with their tutors?  ... regardless of that , I won't be surprised if Serio turns out to be connected to Faceless Men .

@SeanF You’re pretty knowledgeable about this stuff. Do you see any potential parallels between Sansa and Anne of France?

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