Random Thoughts About ASOIAF

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

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With the coming of the new year, the crown prince had taken to the road with half a dozen of his closest friends and confidants, on a journey that would ultimately lead him back to the riverlands. Not ten leagues from Harrenhal, Rhaegar fell upon Lyanna Stark of Winterfell, and carried her off...

If this was a highly secretive mission, how can Maester Yandel know about these details?

[Lord Varys]

32 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

If this was a highly secretive mission, how can Maester Yandel know about these details?

Rhaegar's goals when he left with his buddies wasn't widely known, apparently.

But that he fell upon Lyanna Stark is widely known - although it might be that many people are still mistaken about his motives there.

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

11 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

But that he fell upon Lyanna Stark is widely known 

But how could it be so well-known given that so few people were involved? Especially about the time and place of the event. Either one of Rhaegar's companions "leaked it to the press", or there were other eyewitnesses. 

 

[Lord Varys]

30 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

But how could it be so well-known given that so few people were involved? Especially about the time and place of the event. Either one of Rhaegar's companions "leaked it to the press", or there were other eyewitnesses.

One assumes that Lya wasn't alone and that Rhaegar didn't exactly hide what he did. We don't know what happened between the abduction and the beginning of the war nor do we know why Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared instead of trying to prevent a war with Robert and the Starks.

[EggBlue]

all the talk in FnB about how it took Aegon III a LONG time to consumate his marriage after his wife's flowering becomes hilarious ,when you realize Daenaera must have been 14-15 when she got pregnant with Daeron I .

Edited March 13, 2022 by EggBlue

[HoodedCrow]

It’s probably been said, but if Sansa means apple, then could it not be after the apple of Discord? The apple is a prize.

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

On 3/13/2022 at 6:59 PM, HoodedCrow said:

It’s probably been said, but if Sansa means apple, then could it not be after the apple of Discord? The apple is a prize.

siansa means "melody" in Gaelic

laoi / laoidhe / laiodheanna* (lay, lya, Lyanna) means "song, lay, poem" in Gaelic (also Princess Leia gets her name from this word, and in Hindi rag means "red, melody, song" and lay means "melody, destruction of a planet" and Leia's planet gets destroyed and she gets the blueprints to destroy the Death Star planetoid)

sanas-laoidh means "secret song" and it was a "Secret Song" that ended the Long Night

laoireult* means "morning star" and it is a morning star/Dawn star that ended the Long Night

 

cathl means "melody" in Welsh, and ceat means "song" in Gaelic

aria means "melody" in Swedish

oidh (Ed) means "melody" (and oidhche means "the night" and oide means "foster-father") in Gaelic

ribead / riobaid  (Robb) means "melody" in Gaelic

abran means "song, poem" and marbran means "death song" in Gaelic

seinm / sianam / siuin / suan means "song, music, melody" (and Sean = John) in Gaelic

 

 

So Rob and Lya and Rag all mean "song, melody"  And George wrote a story called Remembering Melody about a friend who killed herself and her ghost haunts the protagonist and drives him crazy.  And the Robert/Lya/Cersei plot comes directly from Edgar Allen Poe's story Ligeia (Lya), where the protagonist's first wife who has dark hair dies and he remarries a blonde and he hates her and wishes for his first wife to return so much it drives him crazy.  

dana / dain* means "song" and fear dain means "a man of song" (and is right above daindheoin and Dandelion is the bard from The Witcher)

duanare / duanaidhe means "poet, rhymer" and duanareachd means "chanting"

 

 

*laoireult means "morning star" --if Lya is Guinevere and Rhaegar is King Arthur, and Arthur Dayne is actually Lancelot  of King Arthur's Kingsguard, then Lancelot and Guinevere having an affair and cuckolding Rhaegar.  Which is parallel with Robert, Cersei and Jaime.  Jaime is Lancelot and he fathers Cersei's kids, and the King Arthur character always gets cucked--and Robert is the Horned Lord--the Cuckold, in Shakespearean terms.  

In Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, King Prester John gets cucked by his First Knight Camaris (means "dawn" in Gaelic) who was supposed to be guarding the Queen, but instead impregnated her, and she gave birth to Josua who is mopey and has a hand injury. 

 

Also melos means "melody" in Latin. 

meire means "song" in Gaelic,

uran means "song" in Gaelic

Edited March 17, 2022 by By Odin's Beard

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

I figured out why Vargo Hoat* had a lisp.  Vargo was heavily associated with the Black Goat, and the sigil of the Black Goat is the Theta, because the Theta looks exactly like a goat's eye.  Θ And the Theta signifies death, and that it is why it was the sigil of the Ecological Engineering Corp and the Yaga-la-hai death cult.

 

The Theta is the sound "TH" and having Vargo's every other syllable be "TH" is hitting us over the head with Thetas.  Because he is the avatar of the Black Goat.

 

In Tuf Voyaging, Tuf's first ship was the Cornucopia, which means "Goat's Horn" and then he gets the Ark, which has the Goat's Eye Theta.  And "Ark" is synonymous with "coffin" in Gaelic, and the Black Ship of Death is Yuggoth/Yagalla.  adharc means "horned"

And airc means "greedy" and "Ark", and earc means "ark" and "pig" and "bloody, blood-red"--and The Plague Star is another version of the Red Comet.  And earcra means "eclipse, death" and archra means "eclipse, defect, weakness" and archu means "chained or fierce dog"   Fenrir was a winged wolf, that breaks his chains at Ragnarok and swallows the sun and causes an eclipse, and Bran is the Winged Wolf that is chained down.  And the sigil of the corpse-eating cult of Leng is a winged wolf.

 

 

*Vargo Hoat = vargr means "warg" / "wolf" and "captain" and bran means "black" and "captain".  And "Hoat" is pretty close to "Hodor"

hoedus  / hoed means "little goat, kid" in Latin.  And in Old Norse hodnor means "young goats, kids"

vargr + hodor = Vargo Hoat, --> Bran + Hodor = The Black Goat

In Danish folktales there was a hero named Starkhodr ("strong hodr"), which I think is where George got the idea of a Bran and Hodor becoming one person with a shared body, and combining their names.

 

Vargo Hoat is obsessed with cutting off hands and feet, he is called "the crippler"  And he is closely associated with the Black Goat of the Woods, which is the Essos black-barked weirwood (see also Lovecraft's The Tree on the Hill, where the Black Goat is an evil alien tree and the black planet Yuggoth).  I think Bran might have been Vargo Hoat, at least part of the time, and was doing to people what had been done to him, crippling them.  So maybe Bran did cut off Jaime's hand.  Fenrir bites off Tyr's hand.

 

 

 

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

Many characters from later books were mentioned in the appendix of AGoT in 1996, including Arianne, Quentyn , and Areo Hotah. I wonder if they were just names at that point, or if GRRM had some plans for them.

[frenin]

On 3/13/2022 at 6:21 PM, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

If this was a highly secretive mission, how can Maester Yandel know about these details?

Rhaegar didn't use Nord VPN, very bad joke i know.

 

On 3/13/2022 at 7:10 PM, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

But how could it be so well-known given that so few people were involved? Especially about the time and place of the event. Either one of Rhaegar's companions "leaked it to the press", or there were other eyewitnesses. 

 

There were likely other eyewitnesses, Women like Lyanna Stark simply do not wander off in the middle of a foreign land. She'd have to have  guards around her, ladies in waiting and so on. 

[EggBlue]

doesn't anyone think it odd that there wasn't anything close to gender equality in Valyria? I mean men and women both rode dragons ... dragons! ... there's no difference between men and women when they fly and can burn down anyone and anything .. right? ... yet , not only there was male primogeniture (which could be somewhat understandable) , there is also polygamy

Edited March 15, 2022 by EggBlue

[Aejohn the Conqueroo]

1 minute ago, EggBlue said:

doesn't anyone think it odd that there wasn't gender equality in Valyria? I mean men and women both rode dragons ... dragons! ... there's no difference between men and women when they fly and can burn down anyone and anything .. right? ... yet , not only there was male primogeniture (which could be somewhat understandable) , there is also polygamy

Actually, yeah. Unless woman riders turns out to be an idiosyncrasy of the Targaryans abroad (and I don't think we've seen anything to suggest that's the case) it's hard to see how women wouldn't have been able to establish equal footing. I guess it's possible that they began something new in Westeros that wasn't practiced in the Freehold, the other possibility would be that the vast multitude of Valarians didn't ride dragons and faced the same sort of relations that we've seen in the real world. Smallfolk would still have all of these examples though and it wouldn't take that many dragonriding princesses developing a gender consciousness to make things pretty messy.  Maybe this will be elaborated on.

[The Bard of Banefort]

There are a lot of weird things about Valyria. Like why they needed to practice incest when there were 40 dragon-riding families, or why they didn’t conquer Westeros, Slaver’s Bay, Yi Ti, Asshai, etc.

[The Bard of Banefort]

It’s funny how there are those interviews of George saying how he hates stories where the prince/princess falls in love with a peasant, because it didn’t take too long for him to say “eh, screw it” and have Duncan the Small marry Jenny of Oldstones  He made it a bit more realistic by having Duncan abdicate and there be some political backlash, but it turns out the old mush couldn’t resist writing his own rags-to-riches love story. (And how much do you want to bet that Jenny was a redhead? I’m betting she’s a ginger).

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

7 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

It’s funny how there are those interviews of George saying how he hates stories where the prince/princess falls in love with a peasant, because it didn’t take too long for him to say “eh, screw it” and have Duncan the Small marry Jenny of Oldstones  He made it a bit more realistic by having Duncan abdicate and there be some political backlash, but it turns out the old mush couldn’t resist writing his own rags-to-riches love story.

But isn't it more of a "riches-to-rags" story?

[The Bard of Banefort]

15 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

But isn't it more of a "riches-to-rags" story?

Not for Jenny. Plus they lived at court, so Duncan got to keep his lavish lifestyle without any of the responsibility. Absolute legend. 

[The Bard of Banefort]

On 3/13/2022 at 2:10 PM, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

But how could it be so well-known given that so few people were involved? Especially about the time and place of the event. Either one of Rhaegar's companions "leaked it to the press", or there were other eyewitnesses. 

 

Somebody told. Somebody always tells.

[The Bard of Banefort]

It is a little weird that Jaehaerys wasn’t knighted since he was determined to be a warrior unlike his father. I’m thinking George probably just forgot to include it.

[Fun Guy from Yuggoth]

Just figured out where the name Haviland Tuf comes from. 

In Hindi tufan means "disastrous flood" and "calamity" and tufani means "mischief-making" and "flying squad"

And so I looked for words that sound like "haviland" in Hindi and found havai "aerial, flying, aircraft, rocket" and "imaginary, whimsical" and havaldar means "steward"  and havala means "charge, keeping, in charge of" and "reference, allusion" and havalat means "custody, keeping" and haveli means "an imposing house"

So words that sound like Haviland mean "steward" and "space ship" and words that sound like Tuf mean "the Flood" and "mischief-making" and "flying squad" and his ship is Noah's Ark, (and many of the series' plots are biblical references).  And the EEC was a flying squadron of ships that engaged in mischief-making and produced calamity.

 

And tufan is on the same page as tum which means "to dispute, to squabble" and the Plague Star is about the dispute of ownership of the Ark, and tumba means "a float, a hollowed-out gourd" and the Ark is a tomb, and a tumba.

And tufan is on the same page as tul (~Tully) which means "bright red" and tula a pair of scales, weighing as a test of guilt or innocense" and tulai "getting weighed"

And in the second Tuf story features Tolly Mune is a Port Master, someone who weighs ships.

And in Gaelic tuile means "flood" which fits with Tuf meaning flood.

Edited March 17, 2022 by By Odin's Beard

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

Why didn't Aegon IV's bastards take on the Targaryen name when he legitimised them?