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I have not read all of the comments but I will offer my thoughts on the questions of justice and where George will take.  Justice is for the men who did the killings to get executed.  The Freys who were bystanders should not get the axe.   Should not but would if Dany arrives too late. 

Arya will not show mercy to any of the Freys.

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On 3/14/2022 at 5:44 PM, Bowen Marsh said:

Rhaegar Frey accompanied Ser Jared to the Manderly's.  He was one of the victims of Manderly revenge. 

It is possible but that is not what happened.  Rhaegar Frey was murdered. And eaten by the jolly fat guy. 

 

And rightly so.

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17 hours ago, Jon-Snow said:

Well, to be fair, it's not like I was ripping on you personally... 

Oh, I know. It's just that those people have their own fantasy world (though they can offer good points sometimes), and that's it's best to let them do that. 

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The irony is that the greatest damage to house Frey might be done by the Freys themselves, with many of them killing each other for the succession of the Twins. 

They're such a close, healthy and fonctionnal family and the old Weasel did such a fine job by having so many male descendants hoping to inherit of the Twins.

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On 2/22/2022 at 9:29 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

I want to shine a ray of hope for the Frey family and their supporters.  The Freys will not all die.  I do not believe they will all die and they do not deserve to.  But this cannot be said with certainty because I am not Martin.  The fate of House Frey will depend on who holds power.  If it's the Starks, it's goodnight to House Frey.  We already know what Arya Stark would do. Murder all of the Freys she can.  Arya is just demented enough to poison the entire family.  At least she would make the attempt.  The family will fare no better if it's Jon Snow who gets to decide their fate.  Jon was not a forgiving man even before he was assassinated.  He will be thirsting for Bolton, Marsh, and Frey blood when he returns. 

There is hope for the Freys.  The following passage is a quote from one of Daenerys Targaryen's chapters in A Clash of Kings

Farther on she came upon a feast of corpses. Savagely slaughtered, the feasters lay strewn across overturned chairs and hacked trestle tables, asprawl in pools of congealing blood.  Some had lost limbs, even heads.  Severed hands clutched bloody cups, wooden spoons, roast fowl, heels of bread.  In a throne above them sat a dead man with the head of a wolf.  He wore an iron crown and held a leg of lamb in one hand as a king might hold a scepter, and his eyes followed Dany with mute appeal.

This is a scene from the red wedding and the man asking for justice is Robb Stark.  Daenerys Targaryen will take control of Westeros and ascend to her father's throne.  The throne which is hers by right.  The Starks will demand revenge on the Freys and might even make it a condition to peace.  Daenerys will moderate with objectivity, intelligence, and thus fairness.  She will restrain the Starks from carrying out a complete destruction of the Freys.  Lame and Black Walder will lose their heads to the axe.  The lord of the house, Walder, will be spared because of his age.  A few of the sons may also receive the death penalty.  But at least the Frey family will remain largely intact. 

 

The scenes in the house of the undying were shown to let Dany know what is happening back home.  It's to better prepare the young lady to assume her father's throne.  Not that there will be a trial as that is unprecedented for a family feud and are usually settled through warfare.  The Starks will have a throw down with the Lannisters and the Freys before Dany comes.  The scenes serves only to inform Dany why the families fought and may help her find a way to hold Westeros together. 

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On 2/23/2022 at 2:29 AM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

The Starks will demand revenge on the Freys and might even make it a condition to peace.  

 

On 2/25/2022 at 10:22 PM, Quoth the raven, said:

The Freys already lost Stevron, Petyr, Merrett, Little Walder, Aegon, and Jared to the Starks and their bannermen. Enough of revenge.  What crime was done as a result of the RW has been repaid. 

There are a lot of posts in this thread making it out as some sort of Stark vs Frey feud. 

The real picture is that the Freys butchered a good deal of the Northern and Riverlands nobility and took a bunch more prisoner for ransom and as hostages.  In other words Robb Stark broke a promise of a marriage alliance and Walder Frey (and Roose Bolton) responded by starting a blood feud with practically every House in The North and The Riverlands.

Saying enough Freys have died and we should call it dibs isn't going to work with Great Jon Umber and Edmure Tully any more than with Wyman Manderly.  It's not a Stark / wild child Arya vengeance thing, it's far bigger than that.

The Freys will lose Riverrun and The Twins.  Given Walder Frey has, what, 100 children, grandchildren and great grandchildren and they are married into any number of Houses in The Riverlands, Westerlands and Vale, plenty will survive but there will be either judicial or extra-judicial "proceedings" against those who took part in The Red Wedding who haven't yet met the BWB or a cold welcome in the North.   

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33 minutes ago, the trees have eyes said:

 

There are a lot of posts in this thread making it out as some sort of Stark vs Frey feud. 

The real picture is that the Freys butchered a good deal of the Northern and Riverlands nobility and took a bunch more prisoner for ransom and as hostages.  In other words Robb Stark broke a promise of a marriage alliance and Walder Frey (and Roose Bolton) responded by starting a blood feud with practically every House in The North and The Riverlands.

Saying enough Freys have died and we should call it dibs isn't going to work with Great Jon Umber and Edmure Tully any more than with Wyman Manderly.  It's not a Stark / wild child Arya vengeance thing, it's far bigger than that.

The Freys will lose Riverrun and The Twins.  Given Walder Frey has, what, 100 children, grandchildren and great grandchildren and they are married into any number of Houses in The Riverlands, Westerlands and Vale, plenty will survive but there will be either judicial or extra-judicial "proceedings" against those who took part in The Red Wedding who haven't yet met the BWB or a cold welcome in the North.   

Precisely. 

:cheers:

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The dream sequence where Daenerys and Drogon burned the army of ice goes well with this vision in the HotU.  Jon will open the gates to the white walkers and the wights and lead them to The Twins.  Dragon fire will stop them in their tracks.  The Starks will have their day but it will not lead to an extermination of the house of Frey. 

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8 hours ago, Only 89 selfies today said:

The dream sequence where Daenerys and Drogon burned the army of ice goes well with this vision in the HotU.  Jon will open the gates to the white walkers and the wights and lead them to The Twins.  Dragon fire will stop them in their tracks.  The Starks will have their day but it will not lead to an extermination of the house of Frey. 

Why do you think Jon will lead wights to the Twins? 

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12 hours ago, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said:

No, I mean how will he lead them? Why would they follow him? 

In my head canon Barrow Kings had ability to raise and control wights and Starks gained that ability when they married daughter of last BK.

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10 hours ago, Loose Bolt said:

In my head canon Barrow Kings had ability to raise and control wights and Starks gained that ability when they married daughter of last BK.

Was it not the Warg King and his family that the Starks slaughtered and then raped the daughters?  Which brought the warging genes into the Stark blood line.  

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2 hours ago, Rondo said:

Was it not the Warg King and his family that the Starks slaughtered and then raped the daughters?  Which brought the warging genes into the Stark blood line.  

They did that. After all standard policy of House Stark was to wipe out all hostile males and rape/marry their daughters to secure their status as rulers of the North and gain all possible useful abilities for their own bloodline.

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On 3/31/2022 at 11:36 AM, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said:

No, I mean how will he lead them? Why would they follow him? 

Jon returns as a “wight” similar to Coldhands. He will use his Skinchanging to lead the wights on a path of death and destruction. Castle Black, the Dreadfort, Karhold, and onto the Riverlands. 

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