Canceled: co-opt

[Heartofice]

1 minute ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Ah, the event  you’ve just described doesn’t seem to warrant a broad crackdown of all political discourse within a company dude lol.

It sounds cringeworthy but so long as it’s kept to specific company forums and mostly off work time(around breaks lunch) I see no problem quite frankly.

 

Except it wasn’t one event it was a continual escalation of events that prevented the company from running properly. And it wasn’t kept to private forums or outside work.

 

[Varysblackfyre321]

6 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

And it wasn’t kept to private forums or outside work.

Eh, then moderate appropriately and proportionality, when people step out of line. don’t cancel all political discourse in an environment due to a few bad eggs. Workers  should be free to express a wide variety of political viewpoints without always reasonable fear of immediate retribution in an environment especially when those ideas can be crucial abuse by management.

I reject your calls for the cancel culture here.

 You’re too privy to censure your opposition my friend. 

[Heartofice]

3 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Eh, then moderate appropriately and proportionality, when people step out of line. don’t cancel all political discourse in an environment due to a few bad eggs. Workers  should be free to express a wide variety of political viewpoints without always reasonable fear of immediate retribution in an environment especially when those ideas can be crucial abuse by management.

I reject your calls for the cancel culture here.

 You’re too privy to censure your opposition my friend. 

No I think it’s entirely appropriate that if you want to get into heated political discussions or advocate for your own brand of activism you take it outside of work time and property, I don’t see how it’s useful or helpful to a successful company.

You say moderate proportionally as if it’s really simple , when clearly it isn’t. It’s time and energy consuming and may well lead to further internal issues. I whole heartedly support this measure, I’ve seen in my own workplace how these discussions get out of hand or alienate people, best to keep it out of the workplace. 

[Zorral]

But you know how they say the workplace is part of the problem, not the solution . . . .  

[Varysblackfyre321]

18 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

political discussions or advocate for your own brand of activism you take it outside of work time

Hey dude, I’m just talking about having polite and robust conversations on break and lunch and/or a corporate group chat that designates such discussion 

18 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

It’s time and energy consuming and may well lead to further internal issues.

It’s not bad to foster a work culture of learning to tolerate the presence of  different viewpoints. 

18 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

I’ve seen in my own workplace how these discussions get out of hand or alienate people, best to keep it out of the workplace. 

Oh I remember applauding your workplace getting rid of its political chat after seething over you’re collgues being so progressive. 

Tell me where you or any other alternative conservatives ever actually forced participate in it?

I’m going to guess no. 

 

[Heartofice]

22 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Hey dude, I’m just talking about having polite and robust conversations on break and lunch and/or a corporate group chat that designates such discussion 

Like that happens.

22 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

t’s not bad to foster a work culture of learning to tolerate the presence of  different viewpoints. 

Of course, there is such tolerance of conservative views.

For example… imagine the politics boards on ASOIAF forum.. but at work.. such tolerance of alternative views. 

[Varysblackfyre321]

39 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Like that happens.

Sure it can.

I live in a liberal suburb in California(the wokest state ever) at  convience store and have literally never gotten into a argument with a fellow employee over politics. I remember one guy trying to convince someone else trump wasn’t racist because the admiration he’s gotten from black activists like spike Lee and liberal exilian of New York.

39 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Of course, there is such tolerance of conservative views.

 

39 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Of course, there is such tolerance of conservative views.

For example… imagine the politics boards on ASOIAF forum.. but at work.. such tolerance of alternative views. 

You do have alternative conservative right wing views I don’t disagree.
But you’ve mistaken tolerance for immediate acceptance, vindication  and coddling. 
Also dude no one has ever forced you or any other conservative to participate in any political thread on here ever.  Some may cry victim when they’re ideas are mocked by the majority of the small handful who participate in these threads.

no one held a sword  to their heads and made them click on any of them.

Forgive me, but it seems your support for cancellation isn’t motivated by pure want for civility in the work place.

Its disgust and rage at the woke being given a platform to share their and you being even subtly reminded of them.

I reject your use of cancel culture here. It’s bad imo.

 

[cock_merchant]

On 5/15/2022 at 1:53 PM, Heartofice said:

Yet nobody close to Daphne has disputed Chapelles version of events. Nobody has said he’s lying, except some random off the internet. Doesn’t occur to you that might be a signal that digging for tweets doesn’t give you access to someone’s life or emotional state? No real critical thinking from you here at all, not surprising.
Anyway, not sure I want to get into protracted conversation with a troll about the circumstances of someone’s suicide so I’ll leave it there.

Either way, Netflix has made the right decision here, I think we are slowly seeing pushback to the years of overly sensitive outrage mobs scaring the life out of companies, with companies like Basecamp and Coinbase banning political activism at work, hopefully this trend will continue

Thank the drowned God for that. Cancel culture and the woke mob need to be ignored.

[Varysblackfyre321]

6 hours ago, cock_merchant said:

Thank the drown God for that. Cancel culture and the woke mob need to be ignored.

Can you please clarify your earlier disagreements?

Like why isn’t it good when Disney doesn’t listen culture war mobs trying to cancel gay people in Disney’s media?

Or are you saying such a thing never happens?

[Heartofice]

7 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Can you please clarify your earlier disagreements?

Like why isn’t it good when Disney doesn’t listen culture war mobs trying to cancel gay people in Disney’s media?

Or are you saying such a thing never happens?

Which gay people in Disney Media are being cancelled?

[Varysblackfyre321]

56 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Which gay people in Disney Media are being cancelled?

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SIGN THE BOYCOTT: Tell Disney 'NO' to LGBT agenda in Beauty and the Beast - #BoycottDisney

Hmm I should have said it’s better to say it’s good when Disney doesn’t buckle under the threats of cancellation for showing the gay or saying they’re cool with the gay. Cancel the whole company for showing a fraction of humanity of gay people not just individual gay people who work for it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/03/07/christian-evangelical-disney-beauty-beast-gay-column/98812856/

How do you feel about Desantis’ don’t say gay law?  And his use stripping of use of government to attack Disney in response to them condemning the pretty bad law?

 

[Heartofice]

4 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Now How do you feel about Desantis’ don’t say gay law?  And his use stripping of use of government to attack Disney in response to them condemning the pretty bad law?

 

I don't know a great deal about the law, on the face of it, it sounds bad, though I am sympathetic to the idea that its not good to introduce sexual topics to very small children.

I'm very much against the punitive response against Disney however, that is petty and really not something that I would support. 
 

[Varysblackfyre321]

11 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

I don't know a great deal about the law, on the face of it, it sounds bad, though I am sympathetic to the idea that its not good to introduce sexual topics to very small children.

 

Just read the bill. It’s not that long. 
It’s okay to teach small children gay people are a thing and they’re okay.

Its good to teach that to big children to.
And adults.

under the law a teacher discussing systemic homophobia against to any grade level or they’re same sex partner has a reasonable worry about getting fired and/or sued.

why shouldn’t a 8 year old learn about any of the political persecution the lgbt community has faced and overcome? 

 

[Heartofice]

I wouldn't describe 8 year olds as very small children. 

[Varysblackfyre321]

16 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

I'm very much against the punitive response against Disney however, that is petty and really not something that I would support. 

It’s not just petty, it’s a massive attack against Freedom of speech.

[Varysblackfyre321]

3 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

I wouldn't describe 8 year olds as very small children. 

Okay why shouldn’t five year olds learn about any of the systemic persecution the lgbt community has faced and overcome?

[Heartofice]

1 hour ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Okay why shouldn’t five year olds learn about any of the systemic persecution the lgbt community has faced and overcome?

Why would you teach that to a 5 year old?! I'd rather team them how to paint a nice picture or play in the outdoors

[Varysblackfyre321]

16 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Why would you teach that to a 5 year old?

Same reasons for teaching them  American civil rights movement

I want them to grow up encoded to being  hostile towards a form of bigotry and knowledgeable on what the bigotry could lead to.

 

Do you think it’s morally outrageous to teach the American civil rights movement to a 5 year old?

[Varysblackfyre321]

23 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

I'd rather team them how to paint a nice picture or play in the outdoors

Its okay to teach 5 year olds their countries’ history and that gay people are okay.

Why do you act like doing such things are equivalent to showing kids a porno?

What age do you personally think it’s appropriate to learn about the mere existence of the systematic oppression against the lgbt community? 
9? 10? 15?

Oh also .  It’d be helpful if when an kid draws his two dads and gets questioned about it a teacher can step in and say it’s totally fine without being accused of being a pedophile and subsequently fired..

[BigFatCoward]

I'm OK with kids of 5 being taught this stuff, but surely it's way down the list of priorities? 

My daughter starts school in September and will be 5 in feb, there is no way she could get her head around this stuff at that age.