Toth Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Werthead said: As I said before, one of several million differences between this and 1939 is that Hitler was smart enough to give inventive-thinking generals free reign and come up with lots of ideas regarding logistics, preparation, resupply etc. Putin has very clearly not done that. At the beginning of the war maybe, at least in the way he let the established Wehrmacht officer corps do its thing (so not sure whether you can give Hitler any props to that, he probably kept his distance at first in the same way in which he danced around Hindenburg's dislike towards the 'upstart private', so it was probably just a way to avert getting the military's ire straight away), but as the war went on he started to force himself into the decision-making process as an armchair general anyway and kept overruling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Toth said: At the beginning of the war maybe, at least in the way he let the established Wehrmacht officer corps do its thing (so not sure whether you can give Hitler any props to that, he probably kept his distance at first in the same way in which he danced around Hindenburg's dislike towards the 'upstart private', so it was probably just a way to avert getting the military's ire straight away), but as the war went on he started to force himself into the decision-making process as an armchair general anyway and kept overruling them. That's true. By the end of the war that had become disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Addendum to the theory that every genchat thread ends up being a US politics thread: Every genchat thread ends up being a US politics thread or a WWII thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Werthead said: That's true. By the end of the war that had become disastrous. Again, I highly recommend Hitler's Empire by Mark Mazower, who covers all these matters in depth and greawt thoughtfulness. What worked, what did not, when it worked, when it did not, and why, for both Hitler and Stalin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/31/ukraine-braces-for-fresh-wave-of-attacks-as-russia-builds-forces-in-donbas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 So... indirect regime change by induced stroke seems to be the adopted statecraft here lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Given the numbers of Ukrainian planes shot down by Russian sources, that did make some wonder if the Russians were counting friendly fire as enemy kills, and given that a third or so of the Ukrainian Air Force seems to remain intact, that does imply that the Russians have shot down maybe more than a dozen of their own planes. Which you'd hope would be a ludicrous overestimation, but based on what we've seen so far, that doesn't seem too far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, Werthead said: Given the numbers of Ukrainian planes shot down by Russian sources, that did make some wonder if the Russians were counting friendly fire as enemy kills, and given that a third or so of the Ukrainian Air Force seems to remain intact, that does imply that the Russians have shot down maybe more than a dozen of their own planes. Which you'd hope would be a ludicrous overestimation, but based on what we've seen so far, that doesn't seem too far fetched. I've seen speculation that Ukrainians can use the captured Pantsir systems to basically hack into the Russian AA network, and change the IFF recognition of Russian planes to Ukrainian ones. This might be the cause of these friendly fire cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 23 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: It's borderline offensive to assume we'd work with subterrain dwelling lowlifes like @Myshkin who can't even get their silly downrising off the floor. We've got f'ing laser beams...in spaaace. Clearly we've brought the aliens in on this caper. You just fucking wait pal! The downrising will consume all you fat cat surface dwellers. We will stuff our bellies full of your bones, and then warm them in the sun, which will finally belong to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 It is rumored that the Chernobyl withdrawn Russian forces are being easily tracked with nightfall images. They are glowing like green effervescent blobs, visible even without satellite or night vision goggles they glow so brilliant. It is rumored and known, I wouldn't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Moving from Jewish Space Lizards named Ty. One of the previous threads touched upon Russian (civil) Aviation. Now that they'Ve nationalized (asically stolen) those leased jets, does it fundamentally solve any problems for this sector posed by the sanctions. Not really. He did a few videos on Russian sanctions and aviation. He knows his stuff about aviation. So if you have 15 minutes and you are interested in that particular topic, 15 minutes, well spent. Now back to Jewish Space Lizards (if anybody has Mel Brooks number, I sense a potential Spaceballs sequel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I'm genuinely impressed, what a super-ballsy move. Apparently, Ukrainians have also been resupplying Mariupol by nightly helicopter flights, until one of the choppers got shot down last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, Kalibuster said: Huh. To be honest, my first thought was "Oh please, not another Arma 3 video...", but now saw a regular news site say that the Russian governor of the area confirmed two injured and ordered some evacuations in the town. Huh indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 There's a lot of other sources of video of it - cctv, some other phone stuff. Seems legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarich II Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 The fact, that the Ukrainians could carry out this strike seriously makes me wonder about the Russian air defence. An oil facility, close to the border, important for fuel supplies I presume, apparently unsecured and taken by surprise. One would have thought that this close to the war zone, they would at least have two AA-tanks stationed there to provide some kind of air cover in shifts. After 4 weeks of war, someone must have realized that Ukraine still has aerial capabilities. But on the videos that are out there, I don't see any AA fire (maybe they didn't use tracer rounds?), nothing. Just a sitting duck by the looks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I thought the one thing Russia was rather good at was air defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alarich II said: The fact, that the Ukrainians could carry out this strike seriously makes me wonder about the Russian air defence. An oil facility, close to the border, important for fuel supplies I presume, apparently unsecured and taken by surprise. One would have thought that this close to the war zone, they would at least have two AA-tanks stationed there to provide some kind of air cover in shifts. After 4 weeks of war, someone must have realized that Ukraine still has aerial capabilities. But on the videos that are out there, I don't see any AA fire (maybe they didn't use tracer rounds?), nothing. Just a sitting duck by the looks of it. If what Gorn said earlier has any truth to it, or even if it doesn't have any truth to it but the rumour breaking has forced the Russians to consider that it might, there could potentially be hesitation among Russian AA pieces to fire on anything till they clear things up, especially in areas where they absolutely aren't expecting any Ukranian aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 News like the successful Ukraine strikes in Russia makes me dream of Putin surrendering to Zelensky. Wouldn't that be the sweetest turn of events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken one Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said: News like the successful Ukraine strikes in Russia makes me dream of Putin surrendering to Zelensky. Wouldn't that be the sweetest turn of events? ...on the ruins of Kremlin, got to dream big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 hour ago, broken one said: ...on the ruins of Kremlin, got to dream big What worries me is if the Ukrainians go on large scale offensive operations they could start burning international goodwill. At the end of the day War is still politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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