Jaxom 1974 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 minute ago, RumHam said: Maybe he gets demoted when they find out he put the ship at risk by hiding his daughter in the transporter? I also wonder if maybe we'll eventually see Scotty learn about that and make a little mental note about it. Well, seeing as Number One knows and is allowing it...? Doesn't Pike know too? Who's going to demote him? Looking for a little more background to try to explain things (because I do that sometimes), M'Benga appeared once in the second and once in the third season of TOS, implying that he's subordinated to McCoy for a couple of years. I mean, that's just odd...another case of wanting to have the connection to TOS, but not really looking it it from a canon standpoint. I mean, keep M'Benga and his sick daughter trapped in a transported buffer...but make him a junior doctor to Boyce, or another a new CMO to help bridge to McCoy...it might even make the story with his daughter even more compelling if he's doing it behind the back of his boss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 49 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: Wait. Do people think the twist was something other than Pike not finding a way to save the child...? And then still walking away without any attempt? (Regardless, this was one of the more classic style Trek episodes...SNW is absolutely delivering in terms of "Trekness".) I expected that the child might be sacrificed or killed for some reason, but I wasn't really surprised when there was a LeGuin ending. That Pike didn't do anything felt pretty good, actually. It highlights General Order One as well as the simple fact that a Federation of planets following certain values and principles cannot just intervene with other folks just because they feel like it. It was already pretty extreme that they pushed themselves into the internal affairs of another species to the degree that they did. 49 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: Also, thinking about it a little more, I know I've been critical of the role that Chapel has here (not Chapel herself!), but we aren't talking enough about M'Benga. He's (obviously) the replacement for Philip Boyce as the CMO, but why is he playing second fiddle to McCoy in later years...? Well, because he is Bones McCoy, of course, he is a doctor, not an extra. That said, I think M'Benga was just visiting the Enterprise as a Vulcan specialist, no? We don't have to assume he was there the entire time. Although we also do know that there is a larger medical staff aboard the Enterprise, so who knows. Completely different thing: Rewatching TOS, there are great opportunities the Discovery writers have passed so far. In 'By Any Other Name' extragalactic aliens from the Kelvan Empire in the Andromeda Galaxy show up. They take human form but are tentacle monsters in their original form. At first they capture the Enterprise, force them to leave the galaxy to go to Andromeda to tell their people that they can take over the Milky Way. In the end they settle in human form on an uninhabitated planet and send a probe to their people that they can come and peacefully settle some planets. Now, centuries later, the Kelvans could have arrived in their real form and they could have been an interesting new member of the Federation or antagonists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 49 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: Well, seeing as Number One knows and is allowing it...? Doesn't Pike know too? Who's going to demote him? One of those stern somewhat antagonistic admirals Star Trek loves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 I hope they keep making these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, RumHam said: I hope they keep making these. Saw this. It's so Sealab 2021 in style...I needed the dialog to go that way too, not just be sound from the actual episode...Voyager 2021...that would be great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Jaxom 1974 said: Also, thinking about it a little more, I know I've been critical of the role that Chapel has here (not Chapel herself!), but we aren't talking enough about M'Benga. He's (obviously) the replacement for Philip Boyce as the CMO, but why is he playing second fiddle to McCoy in later years...? Or... or, it's an alternate timeline. TOS never mentions Sam Kirk having ever served on the Enterprise. Nor do they mention the terrible suffering he went through there. With a new ST film on the horizon, I wouldn't expect to see McCoy appear in this series any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I don't think I liked this episode as much as other recent ones, but it was still another solid one. I continue to like T'Pring. For a character that I think made a single appearance in all of Trek until now, the writers have done a nice job with her development. I also liked Spock and Chapel. A lot of the pirate stuff and how that got resolved was definitely rushed, however I think it's ok. That whole thing wasn't the focus of the episode and it was so trope-ish that the writers even gave it a name. lol No, the focus was on setting up a character that some of you hardcore Trekkies have been wondering about since the beginning Star Trek Discovery. Spoiler Is Sybok going to be this show's (or season's) main antagonist? So far SNW hasn't had a main story arc like other recent Trek. The closest is Pike's fate but that has only been lightly touched on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durckad Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Spoiler Well, looks like all of you Sybok-stans got your wish, the 'bok is back! And Star Trek V is now canon. Congratulations and condolences in equal measures. Not a bad episode, probably tied for my least favorite. Still, SNW continues to be incredibly solid quality wise. When something like this is one of the 'weaker' episodes, things are looking up Millhouse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Well, what do you know, pretty good that this guy showed up. However, if they want to explore this thing they should also bring back both Sarek and Amanda Grayson to add some more fuel to the family dynamics. I'd have to rewatch Star Trek V (which may actually be easier for me to rewatch the JJ nonsense) to check if and how Uhura reacts to the revelation that Spock does have a half-brother ... if that's not there then Sybok certainly can play a bigger role in the show. And with the conveniently introduced alias Xaverius it could even be plausible that no other crewmen end up spilling the beans to Bones or Kirk (for instance, Kirk's brother, who isn't going to die that soon). I actually like how they sort of play around with Chapel's feelings for Spock and I really hope we are going to see how Spock is going to be completely erased from her mind when Roger Korby finally comes along... I wanted to complain how easy it was for the pirates to take over the Enterprise ... but with Angel in their midst the whole ploy actually made sense. This is how you write a convincing ambush episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 SNW: Episode Seven. I have some notes... Even with a disabled coif, Pike is still formidable. I bet you could give him a buzz cut and he'd still kick all kinds of ass. The man is a legend. Regarding Sam Kirk... Spoiler There is ZERO chance he didn't get worked over by a gang of pirates when they took the enterprise. 6 for 6. - Whaaaaaaaaa?!? Spock's half brother? Does God need a starship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 I actually liked this episode a lot. Yes, the pirate -mutiny part was rushed. They even called that out though, and since they used it comedically, I'm fine with it not being particularly nuanced and plausible. On the flip side, Angel's revelation was incredibly effective. The advice she had for Spock was so sensible that it didn't even enter my mind to wonder if she was who she said she was. At least for me, the ruse was as effective as it was on the Enterprise crew, and for similar reasons, so I found that twist incredible. A queer theory spouting space pirate... Bravo. Both her and her boyfriend look set to be players for the rest of either this season, or show up as repeat antagonists who win some, lose some, draw some and therefore always keep things exciting. Competent villains should get multiseason arcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 What the hell did they do to Pike's hair?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Anna Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I thought episode 7 was just as good as the previous ones. Solid. This season has been very consistent overall. Captain Angel was awesome and I can't wait to see her again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Every episode of Strange New Worlds has so far done its best to out-Trek the previous episode. Just wow. My only criticism of the newest episode is Spoiler is the ship should have been able to record what has happened to the crew so we could see an embarrassed Pike order a purge of all recordings. (quickly supported by an even more embarrassed La'an) Though I suppose such a light hearted moment may have taken away from the strong, bittersweet emotions of that ending. I hope we get moments in the next few episodes when various crew members press Dr. M'Benga for info on the missing 5 hrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Paramount+ has launched in the UK but inexplicably is not up to date with Strange New Worlds. I'll probably wait until it catches up and then binge it all (and Halo) during a free week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Werthead said: Paramount+ has launched in the UK but inexplicably is not up to date with Strange New Worlds. I'll probably wait until it catches up and then binge it all (and Halo) during a free week. At least here in the US if you do the free week and then cancel they'll give you a free month in the hope that you'll forget and they can charge you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Episode 7 Great episode. funny, yadda yadda. They finally figured out the hairstyle that transforms Pike into an ineffectual, treasonous, coward. I didn't think it was possible. I'm so depressed I don't even care about what happened to Sam Kirk in this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 I liked the renaming of the redshirts as The Crimson Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 I loved this episode, including the bittersweet and unexpectedly early conclusion of M'Benga's arc with his daughter. I loved how they used Pike, La'an and Uhura specifically. I wonder why Spock didn't resist the Nebula's telepathic attack, though. Probably because having Spock be a goth wizard was too good a chance to pass up, bit I'd still have liked an in-story explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 12 hours ago, Corvinus85 said: I liked the renaming of the redshirts as The Crimson Guard. I totally missed that if I'm honest. 2 hours ago, fionwe1987 said: I loved this episode, including the bittersweet and unexpectedly early conclusion of M'Benga's arc with his daughter. I loved how they used Pike, La'an and Uhura specifically. I wonder why Spock didn't resist the Nebula's telepathic attack, though. Probably because having Spock be a goth wizard was too good a chance to pass up, bit I'd still have liked an in-story explanation. Chapel was hilarious. And very tall. There was a shot with her standing next to someone (M'benga I think) and I said to myself, "Wow, she's very tall." Her medieval fantasy character must have been wearing platform boots or stilettos or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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