Bowen 747 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Strong women make up the ranks of the main characters. The women pushed the plot in many ways; but I wish to avoid going too far back in history as that will make this post unnecessarily long. Suffice to say that we begin with Lyanna Stark and the two (or three) possible men who loved her. I shall then proceed to the most recent examples. Lyanna Stark was loved possibly by one or all of these men. Brandon, Rhaegar, and Arthur. It goes without saying that any romantic combination was forbidden and would lead to problems for many people. The least disruptive to the social system was Rhaegar. Targaryen princes were no strangers to having lovers on the side and even having bastards. Brandon sleeping with his sister would expose the Starks to social criticism and their haughty sense of their own honor would have been wounded. But it is a romantic affair with Arthur which best fits the theme of a woman's love causing a man to forsake his duty. Arya Stark is very much loved by Lord Commander Jon Snow. It is that love for Arya which pushed Jon to discard ethics as well as his vows in an effort to take her away from her husband. This tragedy unfolding was obvious to the reader because the love interest was across the Narrow Sea. Jon's betrayal was all for nothing it seems. The Lord Commander bent ethics, laws, and morals because of the love he holds for Arya. Daenerys Targaryen was loved by Khal Drogo. She not only earned his love but his respect with her sharp intelligence. It helped that she is very beautiful and sensual. This marriage would have made problems for Khal Drogo had he not died. Because you see, the Princess would eventually mature into a woman and her moral values would not allow her to let the khalasar continue selling slaves. She would have found a means to steer the Khal and the khalasar towards a different direction. The khalasar was going to disband whichever way the story took. Ser Jorah is in love with her. Might the big Andal do something of questionable morality in order to help his young Queen? I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Maester Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 When I read the first paragraph I thought this would be an interesting premise. I thought it would be a good read and discussion. Especially since it is something that I havent seen be discussed before. But then their is this…… 10 minutes ago, Bowen 747 said: Brandon sleeping with his sister And I just lost all interest on this topic. Just by the title alone, I genuinely thought it would be a good thread to talk about. But by reading that sentence I realised it’s just another troll thread. Along with everything else. Really sad man. I had high hopes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisconsin Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 "The things I do for love", Jaime Lannister sums it up. Lyanna and Mance are the parents of Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 A kinda naive presented topic, but sure, there are a lot of 'strong women' in GRRM's works, and in ASOIAF aswell. As for your picks, I would doubt about Lyanna, since her personality has been described with several (often) contradictory terms. 'Stubborn' comes to me more quickly than 'strong'. I would also set in Alysanne Blackwood, who married Cregan Stark. There is little known about their relationship but I am curious on how it was between this fierce, fearless woman with a bawdy tongue and good ol' stern Stark, who had half the realm narrowing its butt cheeks in the Hour of the Wolf. I reaaally would like GRRM to further more words on this explosive couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Maester Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jon Fossoway said: As for your picks, I would doubt about Lyanna, since her personality has been described with several (often) contradictory terms. 'Stubborn' comes to me more quickly than 'strong'. The picks were chosen with the purpose of antagonising But I do agree that lyanna dosent represent what our society describes as a strong woman. Shes more of a stubborn fool tbh. 14 minutes ago, Jon Fossoway said: I would also set in Alysanne Blackwood, who married Cregan Stark. There is little known about their relationship but I am curious on how it was between this fierce, fearless woman with a bawdy tongue and good ol' stern Stark, who had half the realm narrowing its butt cheeks in the Hour of the Wolf. I reaaally would like GRRM to further more words on this explosive couple. Yeah this is an interesting premise. Cregan definitely fell in love with her, or atleast admired her bravery. This being explored more would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moiraine Sedai Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Jaime consistently commits acts of evil because of his love for Cersei. Love is a powerful emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Fenimore Cooper XXII Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I can choose to see Lyanna's drama from another angle. She loved a man. Take your pick. She broke a duty to her family and her betrothed to be with that man. So it is the woman's love for the man who sparked the rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shi Qiang Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 On 4/8/2022 at 12:12 AM, Bowen 747 said: Strong women make up the ranks of the main characters. The women pushed the plot in many ways; but I wish to avoid going too far back in history as that will make this post unnecessarily long. Suffice to say that we begin with Lyanna Stark and the two (or three) possible men who loved her. I shall then proceed to the most recent examples. Lyanna Stark was loved possibly by one or all of these men. Brandon, Rhaegar, and Arthur. It goes without saying that any romantic combination was forbidden and would lead to problems for many people. The least disruptive to the social system was Rhaegar. Targaryen princes were no strangers to having lovers on the side and even having bastards. Brandon sleeping with his sister would expose the Starks to social criticism and their haughty sense of their own honor would have been wounded. But it is a romantic affair with Arthur which best fits the theme of a woman's love causing a man to forsake his duty. Arya Stark is very much loved by Lord Commander Jon Snow. It is that love for Arya which pushed Jon to discard ethics as well as his vows in an effort to take her away from her husband. This tragedy unfolding was obvious to the reader because the love interest was across the Narrow Sea. Jon's betrayal was all for nothing it seems. The Lord Commander bent ethics, laws, and morals because of the love he holds for Arya. Daenerys Targaryen was loved by Khal Drogo. She not only earned his love but his respect with her sharp intelligence. It helped that she is very beautiful and sensual. This marriage would have made problems for Khal Drogo had he not died. Because you see, the Princess would eventually mature into a woman and her moral values would not allow her to let the khalasar continue selling slaves. She would have found a means to steer the Khal and the khalasar towards a different direction. The khalasar was going to disband whichever way the story took. Ser Jorah is in love with her. Might the big Andal do something of questionable morality in order to help his young Queen? I think so. Because love is the death of duty and honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Love and the extreme attachment to another can lead to awful decisions. In George’s story, they often do. It should be “love is the death of logic.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Has Brandon and Lyanna’s forbidden love actually become a thing while I was away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damsel in Distress Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 On 4/8/2022 at 12:12 AM, Bowen 747 said: Strong women make up the ranks of the main characters. The women pushed the plot in many ways; but I wish to avoid going too far back in history as that will make this post unnecessarily long. Suffice to say that we begin with Lyanna Stark and the two (or three) possible men who loved her. I shall then proceed to the most recent examples. Lyanna Stark was loved possibly by one or all of these men. Brandon, Rhaegar, and Arthur. It goes without saying that any romantic combination was forbidden and would lead to problems for many people. The least disruptive to the social system was Rhaegar. Targaryen princes were no strangers to having lovers on the side and even having bastards. Brandon sleeping with his sister would expose the Starks to social criticism and their haughty sense of their own honor would have been wounded. But it is a romantic affair with Arthur which best fits the theme of a woman's love causing a man to forsake his duty. Arya Stark is very much loved by Lord Commander Jon Snow. It is that love for Arya which pushed Jon to discard ethics as well as his vows in an effort to take her away from her husband. This tragedy unfolding was obvious to the reader because the love interest was across the Narrow Sea. Jon's betrayal was all for nothing it seems. The Lord Commander bent ethics, laws, and morals because of the love he holds for Arya. Daenerys Targaryen was loved by Khal Drogo. She not only earned his love but his respect with her sharp intelligence. It helped that she is very beautiful and sensual. This marriage would have made problems for Khal Drogo had he not died. Because you see, the Princess would eventually mature into a woman and her moral values would not allow her to let the khalasar continue selling slaves. She would have found a means to steer the Khal and the khalasar towards a different direction. The khalasar was going to disband whichever way the story took. Ser Jorah is in love with her. Might the big Andal do something of questionable morality in order to help his young Queen? I think so. Bloodraven was strong and did not allow the love he had for Shiera to distract him from serving the Targaryens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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