Zorral Posted April 30, 2022 Share Posted April 30, 2022 52 minutes ago, SeanF said: Compared to the Chinese or Iranians, they still suffered less at Mongol hands. Between 1211 and 1241, the population of Jin (Northern China) was cut from 30m to 9m, a significant proportion of the world’s population at the time. Famine and disease rode with the Mongol armies, which helped. Plus the Chinese campaign went on for years. They got to Poland and Hungary in 1241 and left in 2142 (though the campaigns that defeated Rus, Bulgaria, etc. went on for about two decades). As the populations of Poland and Hungary were a lot smaller, cities fewer and further apart, disease not as much, though, of course famine there too. And, unlike China and Rus (and Persia and Syria), they didn't stay: Quote The evidence does indicate that Batu Khan was primarily interested in securing the western frontiers of his Russian conquests, and only after the swift destruction of both the Hungarian and Polish armies did he begin thinking about the conquest of Western Europe. Mongolian records indicate that Subutai was planning a complete conquest of the remaining European powers, beginning with a winter attack on Austria and other states of the Holy Roman Empire, when he was recalled to Mongolia upon the death of Ögedei Khan. But with Crimea and Ukraine, of what population was left, and those of many other places, famine, famine, famine, as the world's great bread basket was out of commission, along with the lack of farmer. As we're seeing on this very day, to the great hunger already arriving in many countries as in Africa. (And for other reasons in other countries as well, as exports of foodstuffs from Malayasia and other parts of the world are being cut back. How often though, have we seen this effect from invasion of Ukraine? Long, long, long before the Mongols already! From before Alexander, even. My mind is grappling with this scale of invasion of this particular place's effect throughout history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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