Foil with me then! What are your favorite fan theories?

[Daendrew]

Hit me with your favorite Valyrian foil.

[butterweedstrover]

Jaqen H'ghar is the Valonqar. 

[Daendrew]

20 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said:

Jaqen H'ghar is the Valonqar. 

Did an AI come up with this theory?

How did you come to this conclusion?

[butterweedstrover]

15 minutes ago, Daendrew said:

Did an AI come up with this theory?

How did you come to this conclusion?

Anyways, the valonqar (your valonqar was mentioned by one of the bounty hunters so it suggests the is significant) is the same person as "younger and more beautiful".  

In said chapter and before Cersei repeatedly mentions Rhaegar as the beautiful (a term associated with feminine features as opposed to handsome) and goes as far as to call him the most beautiful (even more than Jaime). She enters the tent to ask about her engagement to Rhaegar, Maggy is speaking of another more beautiful than Rhaegar. 

This person is most likely modeled after Rhaegar since beauty is subjective. He is the true born son Aegon who is in the image of his father. Aegon is also the younger brother to Rhaenys, and is memorialized as the younger brother due to his 'death' (never having outgrown that descriptor). He is also of Valyrian blood signifying the usage of a Valyrian word. 

Faegon is not the real heir, but his origin story suggests the truth. The tanner traded arbor gold for the pisswater prince. 

Arbor Gold is symbolizes lies in ASOIAF. Urine is the opposite version of Arbor Gold, and is therefore symbolic of truth. The true prince was traded for lies. Faegon was traded for the real prince. 

Aegon was however moved to Ilyrio's house, and this is signified by the candied ginger which Ilyrio said was his favorite. Yet Young Griff does not eat the ginger. There is also the baby clothes which Septa Lemore tears up. This was evidence of some other prince who occupied the house for thirteen years (which is why Dany/Viserys were not allowed for 13 or so years). 

Arya, while in the house of black and white, says the oldest apprentices were no older than Sansa suggesting that is the average age someone can be accepted into the guild. Aegon was sent to the house of black and white at thirteen so that his identity might be washed and his claim to the throne lost. But he returns to Westeros under the pseudonym Jaqen H'ghar (notice H'ghar is a wordplay on Rhaegar). 

He confronts Ilyrio and Varys, but Varys as Rugen tricks Jaqen/Aegon into a black cell where he would be sent to the wall, another form of exile. This was a rash decision but they cannot have the real Aegon show himself. Arya, while in the dungeons, sees a dead dragon and thinks it is almost alive. Aegon is supposedly dead, but secretly alive.   

Arya, who is presented as an alternative of Lyanna (horse girl vs horseface) saves Jaqen. They, alongside Gendry go to Harrenhall. Arya in this scenario is Lyanna, Gendry is Robert, and Jaqen is Rhaegar. 

Gendry wants Arya to stay away from him, but she eventual goes to Jaqen for help. He is seen leaning on the weeping tower (opposite of the tower of joy as he was the abandoned in favor of Jon) and breaks his speech pattern to pledge himself to Arya under the Harrenhall Heart-Tree:  

“A man’s sire is long dead, but did he live, and did you know his name, he would die at your command.” “Swear it,” Arya said. “Swear it by the gods.” “By all the gods of sea and air, and even him of fire, I swear it.” He placed a hand in the mouth of the weirwood. “By the seven new gods and the old gods beyond count, I swear it.” He has sworn. “Even if I named the king . . .” 

Arya says she will name a king, and then names Jaqen H'ghar. 

When he next appears as the alchemist, he is playing the role of a secret king. He is in the citadel looking for the book on how dragons died to hatch his own dragon. With a dragon (whose egg he won from Euron) there would be proof of his lineage. 

The first of his identities, the alchemist, is play on Strider (secretly Aragorn). Strider is at a tavern in a hooded cloak watching our party in Lord of the Rings. When the alchemist (who wares a hooded cloak and watches are party from afar) confronts Pate he calls their group a "Fellowship". 

Sam Tarly also joins that fellowship later as he is ASOIAF's version of Samwise. 

The Alchemist takes the identity of Pate who is a pig boy. In Hans Christian Anderson's fairytale the Swineherd the prince is disguised as a swineherd (pig boy). 

In the fairytale the prince's most prized possessions are a rose and a nightingale. Pate finds Rosey and the Nightingales the most beautiful things in the city.     

Pate then has his face stolen by Jaqen who is secretly Aegon. Aegon is half Dornish and Half Valyrian. Sarella is called the Sphinx because she is of mixed race/ethnicity (a bit of this and a bit of that). Aegon is a Sphinx as well. 

Before entering the Citadel, Sam sees two sphinxe statues, a male and a female. He meets the female Sphinx (Sarella) and the male Sphinx (Pate). This is what Aemon meant when he said the Sphinx is the riddle, not the riddler. 

Here is the most definitive proof. Aegon lived in Ilyrio's Manse for 13 or so years before Dany. When Dany is in Xaro's estate she compares Ilyrio's Manse to that of a SWINEHERD'S HOVEL. 

Because a swineherd, the secret prince, has been living there all along. 

Darrio is like Jaqen in that they are both colorful Rogues that make girls swoon (Jaqen did this in Harrenhall). They are both killers with dyed hair. Darrio is her type, which makes it easy for Dany to fall in love with her real nephew. Faegon will die before Dany arrives at the hands of Robert Strong. In Exchange Jaqen/Aegon will kill Robert Strong and cast Cersei down (as the prophecy foretold) and strangle the life from her. 

Dany will go mad because Aegon chooses Arya (Lyanna) over her. 

Well, that is the story I'm sticking with. And since the next book isn't coming, it's as legitimate as anything else. Also explains why the Ghost of High Heart was disgusted by Arya since she will help bring about the second Summerhall.

[LynnS]

Why Yes, please!  I think I will.  But does it have to be valyrian foil?

[The Bard of Banefort]

Joanna didn’t die giving birth to Tyrion. Tywin took Tyrion’s birth as confirmation that she was unfaithful and forced her to join the silent sisters, which is how she came into a possession of a glass candle, allowing her to communicate with Jaime in AFFC. 

Of course, this doesn’t explain why Tywin kept Tyrion, but still, I like the theory. I doubt that Tywin really was the wonderful, loving husband he was made out to be.

[SeanF]

Daenerys is the daughter of Rhaegar and Rhaella.

Sansa is the daughter of Catelyn and Littlefinger.

[EggBlue]

does it have to be Valyrian?

Bran = Littlefinger  it's too crazy and will blow my mind if it's true ! I like that! 

[LynnS]

Tormund wears a metal band incised with runes on his arm.  Or er, member, if you believe Tall Taker.  This metal band was removed from Joramund's Horn of Winter to make sure it couldn't be winded until needed.  The secret of which has been passed down through Joramund's male line to Tormund.  Which is why he doesn't give up the ring to Jon.

Mance and Tormund have been looking for the horn to replace the ring, but don't find it.  Part of Mance's own mission that Melisandre aludes to is searching the crypts of Winterfell for the horn.

The rim of the horn is chipped, damage that likely occurred when the ring was removed. It is also cracked. Replacing the ring will compress the horn and seal the crack. 

The metal band that remains on the ring is also incised with runes, but Sam will only be able to translate a part of the puzzle at the Citadel. 

Euron will not get his hands on the horn and bring down the Wall because the horn loses it's magic without the ring in Tormund's possession.  It's just a broken horn.

The horn does not bring down The Wall.  It's been blown before and the Wall is still standing.

It wakes giants in the earth. Here's the foil:  it brings down the wards that keeps the ghosts of the Kings of Winter locked in stone and releases them.  They are bound to the owner of the horn.

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A Storm of Swords - Jon II

They're not wearing skins, Jon realized. That's hair. Shaggy pelts covered their bodies, thick below the waist, sparser above. The stink that came off them was choking, but perhaps that was the mammoths. And Joramun blew the Horn of Winter, and woke giants from the earth. He looked for great swords ten feet long, but saw only clubs. Most were just the limbs of dead trees, some still trailing shattered branches. A few had stone balls lashed to the ends to make colossal mauls. The song never says if the horn can put them back to sleep.

The Kings of Winter will have bodies made of ice and snow and cold like the White Walkers..  

[Nevets]

Ashara Dayne is married to Howland Reed and is the mother of Meera and Jojen.  Meera's story has an awful lot about her.

Jonathor Darry survived the Trident and is now the Elder Brother.  EB at least looks like a fighter.  I can find neither a description of his appearance or his death. 

The Faceless Men are the Sealord's master of Whispers.  They also gather and sell information, both general world events and more personal stuff.  They have discovered information pays about as well as murder and there is more demand.  It's what Jaqen's purpose in Westeros is, and their true interest in Arya.  Her first solo mission will be to join Daenerys's court and find out what she is up to and if she is a threat. 

Not sure if this is what you're looking for.  I'm not necessarily convinced they are true, but they could be.

[Lord Lannister]

Hot Pie is Azor Ahai reborn

[The Bard of Banefort]

3 hours ago, EggBlue said:

does it have to be Valyrian?

Bran = Littlefinger  it's too crazy and will blow my mind if it's true ! I like that! 

So Bran has the hots for both his mother and his sister? Leave it GRRM to find a way to sneak in even MORE incest into these books.

[SeanF]

2 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

So Bran has the hots for both his mother and his sister? Leave it GRRM to find a way to sneak in even MORE incest into these books.

No, it's Rhaegar who had the hots for his mother.

[EggBlue]

1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

So Bran has the hots for both his mother and his sister? Leave it GRRM to find a way to sneak in even MORE incest into these books.

AND betrayed his father AND probably tried to kill his father AND broke a deal with his brother's enemies that literally got him f***ed up ! how unpredictable is that?! 

[Aejohn the Conqueroo]

'Mance is Rhaegar' is still a favorite of mine even though I don't think it will bear out.

[Mourning Star]

Personal favorites:

Syrio was Jaqen Hagar the whole time and the real Syrio died with the Sealord who signed Viserys's pact with Dorne.

Dany is the daughter of Lyanna and Rhaegar

Mance Rayder (the shadowcat) sent the "catspaw" assassin who tried to kill Bran, while Mance was in the library, he then burned, looking for what led him to digging in the Frostfangs.

Dalla and Val are the children of Mors Umber's kidnapped daughter.

The three eyed crow isn't Bloodraven, it was Old Nan all along. Bloodraven and his singer allies north of the Wall caused the return of the Others. Singers who kept the pact might be found on the isle of faces in the God's Eye.

Craster was the son of Aemon, making the baby switch Jon pulled an ironic case of keeping the kingsblood at the Wall.

The first faceless man was a Valyrian Dragonlord, and the Doom was an inside job.

Illyrio is Salador Sann, Salador Sann is Illyrio.

Vary's tale of mummers and his castration was his time with the Faceless Men.

Godswoods were built to wall in the trees, thus the "watchers on the walls", plural, of the Nights Watch Oath.

The original sword Ice is better known as Dawn. Valyrian Steel is an imitation of this first blade, also called Lightbringer. One might also note that the Starks seem to have had iron and round walls, both technological advances said to have not come to Westeros until the arrival of the Andals much later.

The Last Hero was Azhor Ahai was the Night's King, and Nissa Nissa was his corpse bride.

[James Arryn]

I suspect Jon isn’t really Ned’s bastard.

[Lord Lannister]

I'm a huge fan of A+J=T. There's so much supporting evidence I hesitate to call it tinfoil even if a lot of fans do.

[EggBlue]

On 5/5/2022 at 6:30 PM, James Arryn said:

I suspect Jon isn’t really Ned’s bastard.

you don't say .. at this point , I think "Jon is Ned's bastard" is tinfoil...

[LynnS]

My biggest longshot is that fAegon will survive and marry Sansa in the end; a joining of ice and fire, North to South and the land becomes one.  She will finally get her Prince of Dragonfly.

Brienne will record Jaime's deeds in the White Book possibly as LC of the Kingsguard or Queensguard..