polishgenius Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 20 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: And is it churlish of me to mention that none of those reviews use the dreaded "D-word"? It's not churlish. It's ridiculous. Language is for using. 21 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: See the difference? Think I'm being too harsh? You asked for positive reviews that still made that criticism. I gave you positive reviews that still made that criticism. Now they're too positive? I sense goalposts being desperately shoved. Raja 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argonath Diver Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 As far as i can tell, this entire derailment began with Deadlines being upset that one blockbuster movie from 15 years ago had reviews with different language than other reviews of another blockbuster 10 years ago. As a fan of the thread's original film, and also the other film that made a ton, can we just move along? Avatar 2 continues to crush box office numbers when many people expected it to be a bust. Bear with me, it's late, but I work a very public job as a bartender where plenty of recent phenomena are discussed - from sports to celebrity gossip to the newest movies. No one ever talks about this film - and my restaurant is a half mile down the street from a gigantic iMAX cinema. I'm an unrepentant geek for 3d content and never expected this much profit from the film. Cinemas are in a very odd state where people will apparently only go to spend money on the grandest spectacle movies, and pretty much anything else is at best a 3 week flash in the pan. I cannot imagine a sustainable business, with all due respect to Coppola and Cameron and the other visioneers depressed to see the inevitable change to household streaming/VR/on-demand viewing of movies. williamjm, DireWolfSpirit and IlyaP 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 It's starting to flatten out domestically. It should cross beneath Avatar next week and maybe top Infinity War the week after. https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Avatar-The-Way-of-Water-(2022)/Avatar/Avengers-Infinity-War#tab=day_by_day_comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Myrddin and baxus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) Saw it finally today. Yep. Part 1 of a two part movie. Edited March 19 by A True Kaniggit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) Quote It doesn't help that they talk like prank youtubers from 2013 James Cameron must invent a whole new culture for white actors to appropriate And Neytiri just crying in the background It's quite funny Edited April 11 by Raja Spockydog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Bruh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 I saw the film a couple of days ago and it is solid. The visuals are a big step up over the first film, which is remarkable given that the first film was probably still the best-looking CG film in existence until this one came out (slightly embarrassing for the entire vfx industry in the 13 intervening years, but okay). Cameron still delivers massive action spectacle incredibly well. It's an underrated skill to make important information read in battles and vfx sequences and not just have a confusing morass of bullshit hurtling across the screen, and Cameron is one of the very best at action choreography. The worldbuilding continues to be very decent, and the cast are all pretty good. Story and character wise, it's adequate with some intriguing elements (i.e. Kiri) but mostly it's pretty standard stuff, with one vague irritation (Spider) and one slightly bigger irritation (everyone getting captured continuously, to the point where one of the characters talks about it in the movie). The biggest issue I think is the ending, with the otherwise-excellent pacing (the first 65% of the film doesn't plod the way Avatar could) let down quite a bit. I think Cameron had two options for a massive finale, either a huge battle scene or a Poseidon Adventure-style disaster movie, and he decided to just merge them into one setpiece, but at twice the length of a normal finale. The result is very impressive, with lots of great individual scenes and action shots, but it just goes on...and on...and on. But it was a pretty decent movie and probably better than all of the MCU offerings since around Endgame. I am not massively excited about the three (!) more movies to come, but if they keep up this hit rate, they should be solidly enjoyable. The Grey Wolf Strikes Back and Corvinus85 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 18 minutes ago, Werthead said: Cameron still delivers massive action spectacle incredibly well. It's an underrated skill to make important information read in battles and vfx sequences and not just have a confusing morass of bullshit hurtling across the screen, and Cameron is one of the very best at action choreography. The worldbuilding continues to be very decent, and the cast are all pretty good. Yeah, this. Probably my single biggest complaint (about a movie I like) is the action sequence at the end of GotG Vol.2, which is kind of what you're talking about here. Not that I mind spectacle. I love spectacle. but action sequences should have a dramatic arc of their own and Cameron excels at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 34 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: Yeah, this. Probably my single biggest complaint (about a movie I like) is the action sequence at the end of GotG Vol.2, which is kind of what you're talking about here. Not that I mind spectacle. I love spectacle. but action sequences should have a dramatic arc of their own and Cameron excels at that. The Marvel movies have mostly been okay with it. The Russos are probably the best at it (in Winter Soldier especially but they also did a great job with the mega-scale scenes in Infinity War/Endgame which could have gone full Bay very easily). GotG2 I think was one of the worst films for that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Werthead said: The Marvel movies have mostly been okay with it. The Russos are probably the best at it (in Winter Soldier especially but they also did a great job with the mega-scale scenes in Infinity War/Endgame which could have gone full Bay very easily). GotG2 I think was one of the worst films for that issue. Whedon too for that matter. Avengers was great in this regard. Although, the Marvel films had this annoying tendency of breaking the tension by having "this" or "that" characters closeup or a mildly funny banter or a sight gag every 60-120 seconds. I get that a good bit of that is dictated by the studio, but it gets tiring after a while. It's like when I saw Basic Instinct in the cinema all those years ago. More than once, I'd say to myself, "Oh hey, this is turning into an interesting suspense... Aaand, they're fucking again. Fantastic." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakasi Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Finally got to watching this tonight. (Last time got cancelled when our babysitters had to leave town to avoid a snowstorm :p ) I really liked it, more so than the first and I liked that one too. It’s just this story felt less cookie cutter or rehash than the first. Also felt like we didn’t have to spend 50 minutes being taught about the setting and could instead focus more on characters. And as a father and husband this story hit closer to home than the first. Not as big a spectacle but more impactful non the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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