Myrddin Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 @Raja Some movies warrant digging deep to find philosophical treasure. Other movies are just fun fluff. I find people taking to online forums asking why TG:M isn't deeper are digging in the wrong mine (ie the same mine as the original). A movie being fluff doesn't detract from its entertainment value. TG:M dos it in a surprisingly satisfactory way. It returned what the trailer promised. My personal opinion, of course. Rhom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Myrddin said: @Raja Some movies warrant digging deep I do not think talking about a central aspect of the third act of a movie is 'digging deep'. I never asked why TGM isn't deeper, I stated that having nobodies be the antagonist in the last third of the film reduced the stakes for me and made it feel like a simulation which had no stakes, and that reduced my enjoyment of the film. And you keep going back to 'trailer promised', as if that is supposed to mean anything. I don't watch trailers of movies I'm going to watch. Imo, fans of a movie being so insecure in their fandom that they cannot handle criticism of the film is childish, unless all you can handle in threads about film & tv is people lauding the film ( and there's plenty of that in this thread) before you start telling people 'stop thinking' 'you bought the ticket to the wrong movie' etc. Edited September 15, 2022 by Raja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, Raja said: Imo, fans of a movie being so insecure in their fandom that they cannot handle criticism of the film is childish, unless all you can handle in threads about film & tv is people lauding the film ( and there's plenty of that in this thread) before you start telling people 'stop thinking' 'you bought the ticket to the wrong movie' etc. Not insecure. Amused. But carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) So now that we have the criticisms out of the way, when do we meet for the human sacrifice due to our lord and savior Tom Cruise for giving us Top Gun 2? 3 hours ago, Raja said: I do not think talking about a central aspect of the third act of a movie is 'digging deep'. I never asked why TGM isn't deeper, I stated that having nobodies be the antagonist in the last third of the film reduced the stakes for me and made it feel like a simulation which had no stakes, and that reduced my enjoyment of the film. Okay, I can think up two bullshit reasons why the enemy is faceless in this film: It is a demonstration of the flexibility of capitalism. If Iran (the clear inspiration for the antagonists in this film) all of a sudden turns democratic, the people there can watch Top Gun 2 without feeling uneasy about rooting for someone to shoot down Iranian planes. The antagonists are faceless, because they are irrelevant. In essence, a core theme of the Top Gun universe is the belief in American exceptionality and thus by extension the fact that America's greatest (and indeed only real) enemy is... America itself. The conflict with the enemy therefore only serves as a canvas or background upon which the true battle for America's soul is fought. EDIT: I actually pressed send before this post was ready. Anyways, I could elaborate on the bullshit reasons (in particular, I like explanation 2) but I suspect the real reason for the enemies being faceless comes from the fact they were also not named in Top Gun. Not sure what the calculation was like back in 1986, but I guess back then it wouldn't have been a great sight for the Navy to have sponsored a "propaganda" film that ended with the heroes shredding a bunch of Soviet/DPRK/Warsaw Pact pilots. Edited September 15, 2022 by Veltigar Deadlines? What Deadlines? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Also unrelated, but Cobra Kai just threw its hat in the ring for best Top Gun homage Corvinus85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Veltigar said: So now that we have the criticisms out of the way, when do we meet for the human sacrifice due to our lord and savior I mean, he's a Scientologist. I'm sure this has already happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Veltigar said: Also unrelated, but Cobra Kai just threw its hat in the ring for best Top Gun homage It should also receive points for good continuity. In the previous season Carmen and Johnny talked about TG, where she confessed her crush on Cruise, while Johnny favored Iceman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Corvinus85 said: It should also receive points for good continuity. In the previous season Carmen and Johnny talked about TG, where she confessed her crush on Cruise, while Johnny favored Iceman. I don't recall that, but good to know XD 11 hours ago, Raja said: I mean, he's a Scientologist. I'm sure this has already happened The more you sacrifice though, the better it becomes. Isn't that how it works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 TG:M is a hair over $20m away from topping $1.5 billion world wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Finally saw this -- it was not worth the $6.99 rental. Felt like fanfic or a TV movie version of Top Gun. The homage/flashbacks were painful to watch -- "hey audience, THIS is why this scene is significant. 'member this? 'member this?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Week said: Finally saw this -- it was not worth the $6.99 rental. Felt like fanfic or a TV movie version of Top Gun. The homage/flashbacks were painful to watch -- "hey audience, THIS is why this scene is significant. 'member this? 'member this?" Booooooooo Rhom, Chilipep, Winterfell is Burning and 4 others 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Week said: Finally saw this -- it was not worth the $6.99 rental. Felt like fanfic or a TV movie version of Top Gun. The homage/flashbacks were painful to watch -- "hey audience, THIS is why this scene is significant. 'member this? 'member this?" This is really making me want to see the movie now! Winterfell is Burning, Veltigar and Rhom 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Top Gun II is several orders of magnitude better than the first one. In every single department. Rhom, Winterfell is Burning and Veltigar 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, Spockydog said: In every single department. No "Take My Breath Away" = worse soundtrack. Rhom, Veltigar, Week and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: Booooooooo Sorry! For example, I found the piano sing-along (and his attire and his call-sign) was very cringe. As was the Iceman TTS scene. 1 minute ago, Ran said: No "Take My Breath Away" = worse soundtrack. 100% Also, Charlie >> Penny. Jennifer Connelly was charming but a wasted character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Week said: Sorry! For example, I found the piano sing-along (and his attire and his call-sign) was very cringe. As was the Iceman TTS scene. What? Blah. Both of those scenes were excellent, especially in what it meant to Mav. Rhom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Man, how could that Val Kilmer scene not hit hard? Rhom and Veltigar 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Ran said: No "Take My Breath Away" = worse soundtrack. Surely you meant Lead Me On! How can they not include those rocking, uh, 80's keyboards?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxus Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I've seen it this Saturday and quite enjoyed it. For someone who liked the first one there's nothing about the second one not to like. Sure, it's not some cinematic masterpiece that will live forever in memories of generations of cinema fans, but it's a fun way to spend 2 hours and sometimes that's all you can ask of a movie. Chilipep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Week Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Mexal said: What? Blah. Both of those scenes were excellent, especially in what it meant to Mav. Welp. Didn't hit for me*. Oh well - glad others enjoyed it. *Additional context, it's my Dad's favorite movie and one of mine too (at least for awhile). So, I've probably seen Top Gun at least 30 times (starting before I could talk). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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