DC Cinematic Universe: Re-Reboot in Progress

[Takiedevushkikakzvezdy]

16 hours ago, Veltigar said:

All that money spent and the end-result wasn't even really good.

I think this can be said about most big Hollywood projects over the last few years.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Takiedevushkikakzvezdy

[Veltigar]

36 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

I think this can be said about most big Hollywood projects over the last few years.

17 hours ago, Ran said:

That's putting it mildly.

Jason Kilar's alleged nonchalance suggests he had that tech industry "disruption" idea in his head and was willing to play along with Snyder given what seemed like an enormous swell of interest. He may even have realized it was being orchestrated to some degree and was not all that organic, but the attention it garnered in the media was enough to go ahead with it.

I thought JL was very average and forgettable. This despite having such a long runtime and such a huge budget to get things right is what made it failure even more remarkable than the average blockbuster level

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

54 minutes ago, Ran said:

That's not the implication of the story. The implication of the story is that Zheng was a hired marketer who pretended to be a superfan who then stopped promoting the thing they were hired to promote once it no longer needed promotion.

Yeah, and that's all it is. "An implication". There's a lot of that in this article. And there was plenty of Snyder Cut fan promotion that had nothing to do with Fiona Zheng. Justice Con 2020 for example, which was pulling in more views than Comic-Con at home at times. Also the November 2019 hashtag trend event. 

1 hour ago, Ran said:

Fisher's tweet is text-book Twitter behavior from him. I'm pretty sure there would be  emails he left out noting that 5PM, not 6PM, was the correct deadline (given that Siegel notes that the shared message was the last of several attempts to hear back) the writer had to submit their story for publication. Furthermore, her last e-mail that Fisher shared was past 5PM, said she needed something "soon", and so if he had had any intention to respond by 6PM, he could have said so and it looks like it would have been something they could have squeezed in.

This is the second time Fisher has been low-key accused of making shit up to slander one Director/Studio for the benefit of another. With. Zero. Evidence.  And how this "benefits" the other director I have no idea. What Snyder has done to demonstrate he's capable of that kind of petty behavior I have no idea. Do you think Fisher's doing his career any favors with this? Doubt it. Do you think either of them are stupid enough to plot this out together? Oh, that's right, I forgot he's Lex Luthor now. I guess that makes Ray his Otis or Ms. Tessmacher.

This is full on tinfoil hat nonsense. And it's only Ray Fisher that's being singled out with this accusation. You think that might make him a bit salty?

[Ran]

Ray Fisher is the only person who targeted the same people Snyder targeted at the studio, and then did so right after Snyder targeted them. Why should anyone else be implicated?

I also like the "purported" to be from China detail. You know why it's purported? Because Zheng did not respond to queries, so they couldn't confirm it.

 

Edited July 20, 2022 by Ran

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

1 hour ago, Ran said:

Ray Fisher is the only person who targeted the same people Snyder targeted at the studio, and then did so right after Snyder targeted them. Why should anyone else be implicated?

I also like the "purported" to be from China detail. You know why it's purported? Because Zheng did not respond to queries, so they couldn't confirm it.

 

Snyder targeted people at the studio? From the same article that accused Fisher of colluding with Snyder with no evidence.

The first time we see the collusion claim in print was the Vulture piece a few month back,

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Some of Whedon’s defenders proposed a theory: What if Fisher had been doing Snyder’s bidding? Without furnishing proof, they speculated that Snyder had tricked Fisher into thinking Whedon was racist. Or maybe Fisher knew perfectly well his allegations were bullshit. Either way, the actor and director had “manufactured a controversy” that made Snyder seem like a progressive ally while diverting attention from the fact that their early cut had been a disaster. Whedon’s advocates believed this campaign had poisoned Carpenter against Whedon, causing her to see the complicated story of their relationship as a simplistic narrative of abuse. “Once someone lights a fuse and people see there’s a flame, they run to it and throw stuff into it,” one person in Whedon’s circle said. (Snyder declined to be interviewed.)

Who are Whedon's defenders? Don't know. But this claim doesn't surface publicly before that. "Snyder tricked him"? Touch grass. 

I've seen video of Fiona and read her imperfect English on the website she set up. If she isn't a Chinese national shes done an amazing job pretending to be one for 4 years because why not. As to why she didn't respond, I know that she was dealing with health issues on and off for a while. There were several periods where she would be inactive on social media because of it. That could be why. Or maybe they just don't give a shit about Rolling Stone in China. The kinds of details an award winning journo would investigate.

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Also, regarding the click bait RS headline,

 

[Ran]

If bots are known to be potentially effective in gaming social media algorithms and amplifying trends, thereby actuating more people, then... well, that's why they use bots. And if the count of bots was 2.5-4 times greater than normal for this campaign, that means someone was spending money mobilizing them behind this esoteric Snyder cut business. What the article is dancing around is that Snyder may in fact be the ultimate source of these bots, of this digital marketing firm being hired to create a "Grass roots" site, perhaps of even hiring marketing consultants to pose as superfans, all with the intention of using it to mobilize a fan base to pressure WB to do his bidding.  Vindication through astroturfing.

Like, John Galt would have done the same thing if social media had existed in the day of Atlas Shrugged.

Focusing on Whedon is fairly lame since the point is that Fisher's pivots to attacking Berg and Johns, and Hamada, all seem curiously timed with Snyder having ostensibly private issues with them behind the scenes. Especially when one considers the claim that Snyder specifically threatend using social media against the producers.

Edited July 20, 2022 by Ran

[Veltigar]

I think the only real explanation here is that @Deadlines? What Deadlines? must be a bot himself 

[Ran]

21 minutes ago, Veltigar said:

I think the only real explanation here is that @Deadlines? What Deadlines? must be a bot himself 

Just a fan of Snyder's work, which is fair enough. I like Dawn of the Dead.

Actually, I see the editor-in-chief at RS highlighted something else about the piece: Snyder's response  to the piece was.... not a denial of the reporting, at all. He just said he didn't personally say anything negative about studio execs on social media or in interviews. Which of course is not what the piece alleges. What it does allege is that he may have colluded with Fisher, that he may have financed a marketing campaign that included bots and fake superfans, and that he kept studio property in his possession against their wishes. He doesn't deny any of that at all.

 

Edited July 20, 2022 by Ran

[Veltigar]

1 minute ago, Ran said:

Just a fan of Snyder's work, which is fair enough. I like Dawn of the Dead.

Me too, I even like...  300 & Watchmen. After that it was all downhill though.

 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

16 minutes ago, Veltigar said:

I think the only real explanation here is that @Deadlines? What Deadlines? must be a bot himself 

This checks out. I was thinking recently that my masturbation has become very repetitive and machine-like of late. 

[Ran]

14 minutes ago, Veltigar said:

Me too, I even like...  300 & Watchmen. After that it was all downhill though.

 

I'm fine with 300. It's a faithful interpretation of the Miller comic and understands it entirely. Watchmen, I'm less enthused by. Snyder's understanding of the material was all on the surface, ad fetishized the action and violence in a way completely opposed to the actual intent of the story.

[Veltigar]

2 minutes ago, Ran said:

I'm fine with 300. It's a faithful interpretation of the Miller comic and understands it entirely. Watchmen, I'm less enthused by. Snyder's understanding of the material was all on the surface, ad fetishized the action and violence in a way completely opposed to the actual intent of the story.

It did help that I only read the graphic novel after seeing the film a bunch of times. On its own I feel like Watchmen is perfectly satisfying.

22 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

This checks out. I was thinking recently that my masturbation has become very repetitive and machine-like of late. 

That's what made Pinoccio want to become a real boy too, so there is hope for you as well  

[sifth]

48 minutes ago, Ran said:

Just a fan of Snyder's work, which is fair enough. I like Dawn of the Dead.

 

 

I mean he was working with a script written by James Gunn, with that film. Snyder would have to try very, very hard to screw that up, lol

[Ran]

1 minute ago, sifth said:

I mean he was working with a script written by James Gunn, with that film. Snyder would have to try very, very hard to screw that up, lol

Well, yes, but I didn't want to rain on the pro-Snyder parade by pointing that out here! But I thought he did a fun job with the direction to match the script, and he got some great performances too.

[Maithanet]

I feel like every Snyder film I've seen has some parts that are really unique and stylish, but in spite of that, he has never made a movie I actually like or would consider good.  At this point, I'm actively avoiding his movies. 

Watchmen had great parts, but the ultraviolence throughout is totally offputting and not in keeping with the story at all.  300 matched the tone of the graphic novel, but that graphic novel is nothing special anyway. 

Never seen Dawn of the Dead, not really a zombie movie person. 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

6 hours ago, Ran said:

If bots are known to be potentially effective in gaming social media algorithms and amplifying trends, thereby actuating more people, then... well, that's why they use bots. And if the count of bots was 2.5-4 times greater than normal for this campaign, that means someone was spending money mobilizing them behind this esoteric Snyder cut business. What the article is dancing around is that Snyder may in fact be the ultimate source of these bots, of this digital marketing firm being hired to create a "Grass roots" site, perhaps of even hiring marketing consultants to pose as superfans, all with the intention of using it to mobilize a fan base to pressure WB to do his bidding.  Vindication through astroturfing.

Like, John Galt would have done the same thing if social media had existed in the day of Atlas Shrugged.

Focusing on Whedon is fairly lame since the point is that Fisher's pivots to attacking Berg and Johns, and Hamada, all seem curiously timed with Snyder having ostensibly private issues with them behind the scenes. Especially when one considers the claim that Snyder specifically threatend using social media against the producers.

John Galt. Nice. 

Bots:

 

[Ran]

Now do @ZackSnyder.

Bots are not the same thing as fake followers. Bots are active participants in social media, and while they no doubt follow people, the story is about bots actively engaging in spreading a campaign rather than just sitting around inactively as followers.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

Finally some proof! Behold! There are probably robots in the case!!!

Chilling.

Speaking of coordinated attacks, who's responsible for this I wonder? I mean, someone had to mastermind this, right?

 

[Rhom]

Kinda makes me wonder what the larger implications are for this.  If bots drove (or at least fanned the flames of) the entire Snyder Cut campaign... something that was essentially inconsequential in the big picture.

What other social media driven outrages are all orchestrated?  But this time about things that do matter.  Seems like the set up for a perfectly good sequel to Wag the Dog.

[Heartofice]

25 minutes ago, Rhom said:

Kinda makes me wonder what the larger implications are for this.  If bots drove (or at least fanned the flames of) the entire Snyder Cut campaign... something that was essentially inconsequential in the big picture.

What other social media driven outrages are all orchestrated?  But this time about things that do matter.  Seems like the set up for a perfectly good sequel to Wag the Dog.

Well if Elon Musk ever buys Twitter we might find out what we all suspect is true: that almost all of Twitter is just a bunch of crazed bots harassing each other and we've all been totally mugged!