DMC Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 22 hours ago, KalVsWade said: Then she'd be useful after she tried and failed to kill Vader too! See, that's the problem I have with the argument - killing her or not killing her is fine, but killing her right after Kenobi escaped, again is really stupid. She either has usefulness to find Kenobi or she doesn't, but if she doesn't that usefulness ended as soon as they landed on Jabiim - or heck, even before that when she tells them about Jabiim and they confirm he's there. Haven't caught up on the whole thread, but the way I took that scene is Reva stabbed the actual Grand Inquisitor and left him for dead, so the GI did the same to her - while talking about the value of revenge. Seems like a plan Vader would appove of -- and Liam Neeson, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 So many words for a show that is written by (dumb) committee. Hollywood needs to invest in writers, or it can fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 As an aside before the Obi-Wan finale takes over this thread, I’ve just finished a rewatch of Rebels, and that finale hits hard. There’s three different moments that got me all emotional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, Maltaran said: I’ve just finished a rewatch of Rebels, and that finale hits hard. There’s three different moments that got me all emotional. Along with Rogue One (and I guess the first Luke scene in Mando, but that's kinda cheating), that finale is easily my favorite Star Wars thing since the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 The final 3 episodes of Clone Wars. Took me back. Got chills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 44 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: The final 3 episodes of Clone Wars. Took me back. Got chills. Oh, shit, yeah I meant the Ahsoka finale of Clone Wars. Whoops. The finale for Rebels was pretty good too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Maltaran said: As an aside before the Obi-Wan finale takes over this thread, I’ve just finished a rewatch of Rebels, and that finale hits hard. There’s three different moments that got me all emotional. Have to rewatch that show in the near future. But first I want to go with TCW in the official 'Lord Varys chronological version' which is hell of a lot better than the official chronology. Also TBB again before it heads into the second season. I really liked Rebels back in the day. 5 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: The final 3 episodes of Clone Wars. Took me back. Got chills. That one was really great. Ahsoka's reaction to Maul's silly offer is just ... perfect. That is really great cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I really liked the final for the Clone Wars as well and I'm glad I watched it before Rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 That was...okay, I guess? There were bullet points that I felt were being checked off, but at least they checked them off reasonably well. Spoiler Another Vader/Obi-Wan fight, which Obi-Wan wins but lets Vader live out of pity (condemning who knows how many more to die, but I guess he figures the Emperor would just employ one of the Inquisitors in his stead who would do just as many horrible things, maybe more effectively without Vader's disabilities). Then the Emperor telling Vader to focus and forget about Obi-Wan. I kind of buy that but also kind of don't. I'm more intrigued why the Emperor is so chill about knowing that Obi-Wan and probably Yoda are both still out there and hanging out. Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen as the homestead siege defenders was kind of cool, but undersold. Maybe a more typical Western homestead siege situation against Tuskens or something would have been better. As it stands, it feels like Reva should have been powerful enough to take them out without a problem or so injured and weakened that she was easy pickings. She was a very specific level of injured to make the fight even halfway viable. Obi-Wan said the thing! And Liam Neeson is here! Yay! I mean, it was fun but predictable. I do wonder if a second season would benefit from a lower-key storyline (bringing in the Inquisitors, Vader and the Jedi railroad felt like a lot for just six episodes) and Liam Neeson showing up every now and then to sass-comment on Obi-Wan's antics. It was also desperately crucial that we saw how Luke got his skyhopper toy that we see him playing with in the OG Star Wars for like five seconds. Glad they cleared that up. Just about the only thing left untouched here was where did Obi-Wan get his house? Season 2 primary story arc right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Werthead said: That was...okay, I guess? There were bullet points that I felt were being checked off, but at least they checked them off reasonably well. Hide contents Another Vader/Obi-Wan fight, which Obi-Wan wins but lets Vader live out of pity (condemning who knows how many more to die, but I guess he figures the Emperor would just employ one of the Inquisitors in his stead who would do just as many horrible things, maybe more effectively without Vader's disabilities). Then the Emperor telling Vader to focus and forget about Obi-Wan. I kind of buy that but also kind of don't. I'm more intrigued why the Emperor is so chill about knowing that Obi-Wan and probably Yoda are both still out there and hanging out. Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen as the homestead siege defenders was kind of cool, but undersold. Maybe a more typical Western homestead siege situation against Tuskens or something would have been better. As it stands, it feels like Reva should have been powerful enough to take them out without a problem or so injured and weakened that she was easy pickings. She was a very specific level of injured to make the fight even halfway viable. Obi-Wan said the thing! And Liam Neeson is here! Yay! I mean, it was fun but predictable. I do wonder if a second season would benefit from a lower-key storyline (bringing in the Inquisitors, Vader and the Jedi railroad felt like a lot for just six episodes) and Liam Neeson showing up every now and then to sass-comment on Obi-Wan's antics. It was also desperately crucial that we saw how Luke got his skyhopper toy that we see him playing with in the OG Star Wars for like five seconds. Glad they cleared that up. Just about the only thing left untouched here was where did Obi-Wan get his house? Season 2 primary story arc right there. The whole thing does seem like a weird exercise in merely marking time. All about Obi-Wan’s spiritual enlightenment more than anything else… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 The fight between Obi-Wan and Vader was really wizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I know they wanted to go for the whole "Heroic Second Wind" trope and stuff, but seriously, did Vader's batteries run out or what happened there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 Breathing machine was damaged. Then helmet broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Pretty disappointing stuff from Kenobi; it's really sad because there was a good idea there under all the poorly thought out plots, reused dialogue, poor choreography, cheap special effects, and general faffing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 So are they going to edit A New Hope where Leia instead of saying "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars" to "Hello, Obi-Wan, it's Leia. I need your help."? Because what they did here really retcons this relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toth Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Myrddin said: Breathing machine was damaged. Then helmet broken. He didn't bother fighting back at all during the second half, long before he received that damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, Toth said: He didn't bother fighting back at all during the second half, long before he received that damage. Obi-Wan used Anakin's dominating fighting style against Vader in the second half of the fight. You can see that in the lightsaber moves. I thought it was a nice touch. I thought the duel was generally good. Obi-Wan once again simply walking away is a head scratcher because even from a Jedi perspective, a foe like Vader ought to be brought to justice. But it does mirror the encounter in Rebels between Vader and Ahsoka, where Ahsoka decides to kill Vader as a means to avenge Anakin, which, as stated by Vader, is not the Jedi way. And maybe Obi-Wan thought that there was no meaningful justice to serve Vader as the Republic is gone. So either give into the temptation of avenging the loss of Anakin and kill Vader, or walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 How do we explain the line from “A New Hope”… “When last we met I was the learner now I am the master”? It seems really out of joint now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: How do we explain the line from “A New Hope”… “When last we met I was the learner now I am the master”? It seems really out of joint now. That was on the one miss, I thought. Obi-Wan should've thrown out a line at him during the fight. "I see why you were never given the rank of master." Or "You still have a lot to learn." Or something to make the NH line work better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Obi-Wan didn't intend this fight as a lesson but maybe Vader took it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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