Ser Drewy Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 GRRM estimates he's got "about 500 pages" to go. https://www.polygon.com/game-of-thrones/23499159/george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-finish-release-date-pages EggBlue, The Bard of Banefort and Dreadscythe95 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/5/2022 at 5:23 PM, sifth said: The problem is, has any place in Westeros, not been effected by war yet? The Scouring of the Shire works, because it shows us the effects of war on a place we viewed as safe from it. The closest GRRM can come to replicating it, would be having one of his major villains like Euron sit out all of the fighting against the Others and suddenly after they are defeated have him attack a major city. Honestly, the burning of Winterfell in ACOK kinda feels like its serving that purpose already: the 'haven' has been attacked and taken over, and though our heroes will likely get it back, it'll never be the place it once was. King's Landing can't really be a Scouring-like place because it's been attacked multiple times in the setting and is deliberately set up as an unsafe place. Nowhere else has that resonance either. EggBlue and Nathan Stark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadscythe95 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) On 12/1/2022 at 11:54 AM, Elizaveta said: I saw some fans speculate on whether the conflict between the Others and Westeros be resolved diplomatically. Idk if it's more like GRRM to have a big battle or have a twist like this. I don't think it will be exactly like deplomacy but I have a feeling that it will have some similarities with how Hao Asakura is "defeated" in Shaman King. If you have never read that Manga: Spoiler Hao Asakura is a mghty Shaman that gets reincarnated and wants to become Shaman King (literal God) because he wants to erase humanity since he believes humans are corrupt and will destroy the planet. This arc has a lot of similarities with White Walkers/Brand Storyline. Hao wins in the end and becomes the Shaman King but by uniting with everyone his heart is open again and people convinve him that there is more than revenge when you are the God and that humanity deserves a chance to prove itself. I feel that Brand's arc will lead him into becoming this god-like nihillistic figure that sees humanity as a virus that needs to be erased (it's probably the response to the Children of The Forest Lovecraftian spell of earing humans). Jon is the SOIAF and so he will guide humans and prove that we can be redeemed. Through this devastation Westeros will pass to a total monarchy (which is what happened in real hsitory) and The Great Houses will probably lose their feudalistic power. Edited December 8, 2022 by Dreadscythe95 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) So if George is averaging 100 pages a year, that means we can expect TWOW in 2028. Edited December 8, 2022 by The Bard of Banefort Chilipep and EggBlue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I didn’t watch the Colbert interview. What was he even on there promoting? HOTD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I didn’t watch the Colbert interview. What was he even on there promoting? HOTD? No his new coffee table book. The Bard of Banefort and EggBlue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, sifth said: No his new coffee table book. I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not haha I’m being honest. He created a coffee book version of Fire and Blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, sifth said: I’m being honest. He created a coffee book version of Fire and Blood. I know, I just couldn’t tell if you were joking about him promoting it on Colbert. I guess they want to boost sales for the holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggBlue Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 22 hours ago, Ser Drewy said: GRRM estimates he's got "about 500 pages" to go. https://www.polygon.com/game-of-thrones/23499159/george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-finish-release-date-pages so he's written 1100-1200 pages in over 11yrs and there's just about 400-500 pages to go? should we clap? Morte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, sifth said: No his new coffee table book. A coffee table version of a book that is based on leftovers from a previous coffee table book? It's getting really confusing. Edited December 9, 2022 by Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Morte and sifth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynnS Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 9 hours ago, EggBlue said: so he's written 1100-1200 pages in over 11yrs and there's just about 400-500 pages to go? should we clap? Have you given up on George then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynnS Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) Oops. Wrong thread. Edited December 9, 2022 by LynnS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: A coffee table version of a book that is based on leftovers from a previous coffee table book? It's getting really confusing. Hard not to start getting cynical about these releases. As I understand it what became fire and blood was an epic procrastination written as flavour for a book half it's size which was released and sold well enough to justify bundling up the rest of the procrastination, putting a bow on it and selling it (as a part 1 no less). Now he releases a stripped down version full of pictures - isn't this where we started? Dare I ask what's next? Mithras, Morte and The Bard of Banefort 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Interesting tidbits there. Not sure if it entirely squares with what he's said elsewhere. So previously (on the History of Westeros podcast) he said he was 75% done with an estimated final page count of ~1,820 manuscript pages (the 1,520 of ASoS and ADWD + 300 pages more). That would come out to around 1,365 manuscript pages completed. Here he's saying he has between 1,100 and 1,200 manuscript pages complete with 400-500 to go. This might be more of a general off-the-cuff "ballpark" figure, especially given he's away from his notes, whilst in the other interview he was in his house with the info to hand. Or it might reflect his publishers forcefully pushing back on the two volume idea and saying he has a hard limit of around 1,600 manuscript pages and he can't go over that, which I find unlikely. If anything, GRRM delivering an ~1800 page book they can split into two volumes, each only slightly shorter than A Game of Thrones or A Feast for Crows, which they can publish in two subsequent years, would probably be music to Random House's ears, especially given their willingness to publish anything else ASoIaF-related, no matter how tenuous or reheated from prior publications. Prince of the North and LynnS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingintheNorth4 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 15 hours ago, EggBlue said: so he's written 1100-1200 pages in over 11yrs and there's just about 400-500 pages to go? should we clap? A slow clap, maybe. LongRider, EggBlue and Morte 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Werthead said: If anything, GRRM delivering an ~1800 page book they can split into two volumes, each only slightly shorter than A Game of Thrones or A Feast for Crows, which they can publish in two subsequent years, would probably be music to Random House's ears, especially given their willingness to publish anything else ASoIaF-related, no matter how tenuous or reheated from prior publications. Plus, the only thing that really matters now is time. If releasing it in two volumes means that he will finish it faster, then Random House should be all-in on the idea. LynnS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Green Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Werthead said: So previously (on the History of Westeros podcast) he said he was 75% done with an estimated final page count of ~1,820 manuscript pages (the 1,520 of ASoS and ADWD + 300 pages more). That would come out to around 1,365 manuscript pages completed. I'm thinking you misread the evidence, unless I missed something. When did he say it would be 1820 manuscript pages? 7 hours ago, Werthead said: Here he's saying he has between 1,100 and 1,200 manuscript pages complete with 400-500 to go. That would have been closer to my own guesses, based on his remarks of last month. Again, unless I missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted December 10, 2022 Author Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gilbert Green said: I'm thinking you misread the evidence, unless I missed something. When did he say it would be 1820 manuscript pages? When he said it would be 300 pages longer than ASoS and ADWD, which are 1520 manuscript pages. 1520 + 300 = 1820 ETA: It was his Game of Owns interview, not the History of Westeros one. Edited December 10, 2022 by Werthead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jekse Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 10 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: Plus, the only thing that really matters now is time. If releasing it in two volumes means that he will finish it faster, then Random House should be all-in on the idea. Would he finish part two faster? George is itching to go on a book-tour again, and he didn't write anything for 6 months after the Dance book tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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