RumHam Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, sifth said: Garak killed the last one. Introduce his son! I would love the reveal that one of the Weyoun's fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, RumHam said: Introduce his son! I would love the reveal that one of the Weyoun's fucked. In one of the novels there is a Wayoun 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Having just watched the new Picard trailer, all I can say is that besides the main characters from the ship and the previous seasons, I don't know anyone else. Are we supposed to recognize the villain or the guy with the top hat? After the previous season I don't feel that enthusiastic about it. Right now even Discovery is better. Bring on Strange New Worlds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said: Having just watched the new Picard trailer, all I can say is that besides the main characters from the ship and the previous seasons, I don't know anyone else. Are we supposed to recognize the villain or the guy with the top hat? After the previous season I don't feel that enthusiastic about it. Right now even Discovery is better. Bring on Strange New Worlds! top hat guy is hologram Moriarty who appeared twice on TNG. The other villain/race who isn't Lore is new. Corvinus85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, RumHam said: top hat guy is hologram Moriarty who appeared twice on TNG. The other villain/race who isn't Lore is new. Oh God. One of the daftest TNG plots (Moriarty). Apparently you can create sentient AI by telling the holodeck computer to make a clever hologram… RumHam and Ser Scot A Ellison 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Oh God. One of the daftest TNG plots (Moriarty). Apparently you can create sentient AI by telling the holodeck computer to make a clever hologram… Do you have any idea how powerful the Enterprise D computers are? They're probably chock-full of safeguards for the explicit purpose of avoiding the accidental development of self-aware entities within the ship's systems. Geordie just managed to find a loophole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, felice said: Do you have any idea how powerful the Enterprise D computers are? They're probably chock-full of safeguards for the explicit purpose of avoiding the accidental development of self-aware entities within the ship's systems. Geordie just managed to find a loophole. All those scientists who failed to make AI for androids must have felt lretty stupid messing around with neural networks, when all they had to do was say, “make me a program as smart as Data,” and download it into an android body. Was that all Dr Zimmerman had to do to create the EMH? “Computer, create a doctor that looks like me and is smart as fuck and self-aware.”? RumHam and Lord of Oop North 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said: All those scientists who failed to make AI for androids must have felt lretty stupid messing around with neural networks, when all they had to do was say, “make me a program as smart as Data,” and download it into an android body. The hard part is designing an artificial brain small enough to fit inside a humanoid head; the Enterprise computers don't have that limitation. Also, the Enterprise had access to Data; the work had already been done. 9 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Was that all Dr Zimmerman had to do to create the EMH? “Computer, create a doctor that looks like me and is smart as fuck and self-aware.”? The problem with AIs that evolve out of pure bulk complexity is that you don't have any control over how they turn out; you're more likely to get a Lore or Moriarty than a Data. Designing a very intelligent program that's profoundly interested in medicine while also inclined to obey orders and prioritise helping the crew requires a different approach. And I'm not sure the EMG was intended to be self-aware (creating a sentient being to be treated like that would never pass any ethics board review). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 In true Discovery fashion of being the first and only group in the ST universe to discover (no pun intended) or uncover stuff, their computer has already achieved sentience and is highly moral. It also has a weirdly anthropomorphic name (Zora), but whatever. I think the way they rationalized that was because of some mumbo jumbo about downloading reams of data from the artifact I forgot the name of. I do think the depiction of AI in Star Trek could be better though (for one, it could be more consistent). Still, no problem with Moriarty for me, or at least I'll wait till we see how he's treated in S3 Picard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 This latest episode was basically an homage to all ST movies till Generations, correct? I guess they stopped there since the First Contact stuff was already tackled in a previous episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 7:59 PM, felice said: The hard part is designing an artificial brain small enough to fit inside a humanoid head; the Enterprise computers don't have that limitation. Also, the Enterprise had access to Data; the work had already been done. The problem with AIs that evolve out of pure bulk complexity is that you don't have any control over how they turn out; you're more likely to get a Lore or Moriarty than a Data. Designing a very intelligent program that's profoundly interested in medicine while also inclined to obey orders and prioritise helping the crew requires a different approach. And I'm not sure the EMG was intended to be self-aware (creating a sentient being to be treated like that would never pass any ethics board review). They managed to store Moriarty and Regina (the sentient hologram he created) in a small cube that served as a holodeck that had enough memory to create a simulation of the galaxy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said: They managed to store Moriarty and Regina (the sentient hologram he created) in a small cube that served as a holodeck that had enough memory to create a simulation of the galaxy! Star Trek doesn’t understand “data storage” or “computing power”… does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I remember watching Symbiosis in 1988 and thinking, "is it really a good idea to leave an entire planet to go cold turkey simultaneously?" Very glad to see they finally tackled this plot point. Still holding out for a return to the planet of Aryan Joggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 There but for the grace goes the Texas Class... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 The unabashed joy on Shaxs' face because he got to do the thing was really well-done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Soooo...they really only left the one sub plot dangling, though I half expected it to also tie into the finale. And then it didn't. Giess we can gather where Season four will drift... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Correction: I missed that there was a 5 second or so post credit stinger...there is at least one other dangling plot still out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Cool episode. It was slightly weird that every ship of a specific class was in range but eh, I can ignore that. I made similar comments when the S2 finale aired, but I really feel like the show gets better when it’s not trying to be funny. Kinda like the Orville initially felt obliged to be a comedy, but got better as an actual sci-fi drama. A huge amount of this episode was just enjoyable as a straight TNG era sequel, and that was really all anyone was asking for for years. I saw someone on Reddit describe TNG as ‘competence porn’ which I thought was brilliant. I’m glad Lower Decks have dropped the general show-wide joke that the Cerritos is a bit shit, I’m happy seeing them picking up on possible sentient life, being brave enough to draw off an enemy, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 Yeah, I enjoyed the season finale of course, but my one criticism is how easily most of the threads were wrapped up. I mean, I would have dedicated at least one episode each to the Rutherford subplot, and to the Freeman-Mariner rift. It all seemed to wrap up just a bit too conveniently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said: Yeah, I enjoyed the season finale of course, but my one criticism is how easily most of the threads were wrapped up. I mean, I would have dedicated at least one episode each to the Rutherford subplot, and to the Freeman-Mariner rift. It all seemed to wrap up just a bit too conveniently. That's my main problem with it, too. I was also less than impressed with the penultimate episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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