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Having just watched the new Picard trailer, all I can say is that besides the main characters from the ship and the previous seasons, I don't know anyone else. Are we supposed to recognize the villain or the guy with the top hat? After the previous season I don't feel that enthusiastic about it. Right now even Discovery is better. Bring on Strange New Worlds!

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17 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

Having just watched the new Picard trailer, all I can say is that besides the main characters from the ship and the previous seasons, I don't know anyone else. Are we supposed to recognize the villain or the guy with the top hat? After the previous season I don't feel that enthusiastic about it. Right now even Discovery is better. Bring on Strange New Worlds!

top hat guy is hologram Moriarty who appeared twice on TNG. The other villain/race who isn't Lore is new. 

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2 hours ago, RumHam said:

top hat guy is hologram Moriarty who appeared twice on TNG. The other villain/race who isn't Lore is new. 

Oh God. One of the daftest TNG plots (Moriarty). Apparently you can create sentient AI by telling the holodeck computer to make a clever hologram…

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3 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said:

Oh God. One of the daftest TNG plots (Moriarty). Apparently you can create sentient AI by telling the holodeck computer to make a clever hologram…

Do you have any idea how powerful the Enterprise D computers are? They're probably chock-full of safeguards for the explicit purpose of avoiding the accidental development of self-aware entities within the ship's systems. Geordie just managed to find a loophole.

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1 hour ago, felice said:

Do you have any idea how powerful the Enterprise D computers are? They're probably chock-full of safeguards for the explicit purpose of avoiding the accidental development of self-aware entities within the ship's systems. Geordie just managed to find a loophole.

All those scientists who failed to make AI for androids must have felt lretty stupid messing around with neural networks, when all they had to do was say, “make me a program as smart as Data,” and download it into an android body.

Was that all Dr Zimmerman had to do to create the EMH? “Computer, create a doctor that looks like me and is smart as fuck and self-aware.”?

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9 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said:

All those scientists who failed to make AI for androids must have felt lretty stupid messing around with neural networks, when all they had to do was say, “make me a program as smart as Data,” and download it into an android body.

The hard part is designing an artificial brain small enough to fit inside a humanoid head; the Enterprise computers don't have that limitation. Also, the Enterprise had access to Data; the work had already been done.

9 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said:

Was that all Dr Zimmerman had to do to create the EMH? “Computer, create a doctor that looks like me and is smart as fuck and self-aware.”?

The problem with AIs that evolve out of pure bulk complexity is that you don't have any control over how they turn out; you're more likely to get a Lore or Moriarty than a Data. Designing a very intelligent program that's profoundly interested in medicine while also inclined to obey orders and prioritise helping the crew requires a different approach. And I'm not sure the EMG was intended to be self-aware (creating a sentient being to be treated like that would never pass any ethics board review).

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In true Discovery fashion of being the first and only group in the ST universe to discover (no pun intended) or uncover stuff, their computer has already achieved sentience and is highly moral. It also has a weirdly anthropomorphic name (Zora), but whatever. I think the way they rationalized that was because of some mumbo jumbo about downloading reams of data from the artifact I forgot the name of.

I do think the depiction of AI in Star Trek could be better though (for one, it could be more consistent). Still, no problem with Moriarty for me, or at least I'll wait till we see how he's treated in S3 Picard.

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On 10/12/2022 at 7:59 PM, felice said:

The hard part is designing an artificial brain small enough to fit inside a humanoid head; the Enterprise computers don't have that limitation. Also, the Enterprise had access to Data; the work had already been done.

The problem with AIs that evolve out of pure bulk complexity is that you don't have any control over how they turn out; you're more likely to get a Lore or Moriarty than a Data. Designing a very intelligent program that's profoundly interested in medicine while also inclined to obey orders and prioritise helping the crew requires a different approach. And I'm not sure the EMG was intended to be self-aware (creating a sentient being to be treated like that would never pass any ethics board review).

They managed to store Moriarty and Regina (the sentient hologram he created) in a small cube that served as a holodeck that had enough memory to create a simulation of the galaxy! 

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5 hours ago, Derfel Cadarn said:

They managed to store Moriarty and Regina (the sentient hologram he created) in a small cube that served as a holodeck that had enough memory to create a simulation of the galaxy! 

Star Trek doesn’t understand “data storage” or “computing power”… does it?

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I remember watching Symbiosis in 1988 and thinking, "is it really a good idea to leave an entire planet to go cold turkey simultaneously?"

Very glad to see they finally tackled this plot point. Still holding out for a return to the planet of Aryan Joggers.

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Cool episode. It was slightly weird that every ship of a specific class was in range but eh, I can ignore that.

I made similar comments when the S2 finale aired, but I really feel like the show gets better when it’s not trying to be funny. Kinda like the Orville initially felt obliged to be a comedy, but got better as an actual sci-fi drama. A huge amount of this episode was just enjoyable as a straight TNG era sequel, and that was really all anyone was asking for for years. 

I saw someone on Reddit describe TNG as ‘competence porn’ which I thought was brilliant. I’m glad Lower Decks have dropped the general show-wide joke that the Cerritos is a bit shit, I’m happy seeing them picking up on possible sentient life, being brave enough to draw off an enemy, etc.

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4 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

Yeah, I enjoyed the season finale of course, but my one criticism is how easily most of the threads were wrapped up. I mean, I would have dedicated at least one episode each to the Rutherford subplot, and to the Freeman-Mariner rift. It all seemed to wrap up just a bit too conveniently.

That's my main problem with it, too. I was also less than impressed with the penultimate episode.

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