Evolett Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share Posted July 24, 2022 21 hours ago, Seams said: I'm looking for this citation. Can you tell me which chapter it's in? I was able to find where Tyrion says he is supposed to fall off the pig, and I can find where Penny says that the goal is to make people laugh, but I can't find anything about a plan for the pig and its rider to lose in the mummer jousting. That he is supposed to lose is not in the text. My assumption is falling of the pig means to lose the tilt as per the rules in a real jousting. My understanding is that if the jouster falls he has the option of yielding if he is incapcitated or continuing the fight on foot until a winner emerges. Since the dwarfs are staging a show all sorts of antics designed to entertain are included but the rider of the pig always ends up the loser. The wolf-knight falls of his pig, doesn't score even when he beheads the stag-knight and yields atop his own mount while being mock-raped. Oppo, former rider of the pig was beheaded and Tyrion has a price on his head. After the tilt on the ship, one sailor was angry because Tyrion lost: “Must have no balls, let girl beat you.” And Tyrion thinks: "He wagered coin on me," indicating the man placed a bet on him to win, but he lost. Perhaps the author uses this "falling off a pig" motiv to indicate a loss of power, status or even life, similar to the Dothraki maxim regarding a Khal falling off his horse. This dialogue between Jorah and Tyrion after the tilt also caught my attention: Quote “I fell off the bloody pig and bit my tongue. What could possibly be worse than that?” “Getting a splinter through your eye and dying.” Is getting a splinter through one's eye and dying a progression on falling off a pig? Ser Waymar got a splinter through his eye and died. His brother Robar who belongs to your Robb/Robert/boar wordgroup supported the stag and was slain by Loras. I also found out that House Crakehall was founded by an ancestor called Crake the Boarkiller during the Age of Heros, suggesting the Crakehalls should be seen as boar killers rather than as boars, making the Lannister association with dogs and pigs/boars clearer. Both animals are probably symbolic killers. Corvo the Crow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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