UK Politics: The Tory leadership (disg)race to the bottom and beyond - not worth a Penny.

[Heartofice]

12 minutes ago, Zorral said:

The hatred and prejudice of the sorta youngish toward those perceived as Not Young is part of the ongoing crises, of course, along with white supremacy, classism, racism, bigotry, intolerance, etc. etc. etc.  Too bad the first wave of covid didn't last longer, because then, the expressed desire and solution to all things was just have the elderly -- and the financially distressed -- die while everyone else continued biz as usual, would have been fulfilled.  Why yes indeed, one does remember very well these expressions in the first Covid threads right here on this forum.  Expressed by the same posters, in fact, who then later lie and say they didn't say or think that -- even while doing it again right in front of our faces. 

The only worthwhile response to this is... Huh?!

[A Horse Named Stranger]

2 hours ago, Spockydog said:

Even more pleased I haven't got one. 

Imma buy my first house with cash.

 

 

Then you have to go all the way. Coins. Not Bitcoins or some shit like that, Actual coins. Doesn't have to be pennies, but truckload of coins for the real estate agent to count.

[Raja]

I'm not sure why anyone is worried, once the economic benefits of brexit kick in, we'll be good.

[Spockydog]

Frankly, none of this matters. He's got no chance.

 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Just remember, he is the relatively better candidate of the two finalists. 

It's so much fun laughing at the Tory insanity from a safe distance.

[BigFatCoward]

29 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

Frankly, none of this matters. He's got no chance.

 

I secretly kind of admire this a little bit though. It must be so refreshing to go through life not giving any fucks for anyone whatsoever.

People say 'how do they sleep at night'? I'm sure they sleep fine because they don't worry about the shit that keeps normal decent people up in the wee small hours. 

[Poobah]

Yep utter psychopaths the evil lot of them. 

[Spockydog]

1 hour ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Just remember, he is the relatively better candidate of the two finalists. 

It's so much fun laughing at the Tory insanity from a safe distance.

This entire contest has been one of the weirdest things in the history of British politics. Ministers openly attacking each other over their respective roles in what is surely the most awful government the country has ever seen.

All they are doing is providing countless clips and soundbites for Labour to roll out during the next election.

[polishgenius]

Fashy fashy fashy!

[Which Tyler]

I thought they already did that with the Steve Bray law?

[Spockydog]

No more nursing degrees then.

 

[kiko]

21 minutes ago, Spockydog said:

No more nursing degrees then.

 

Stop complaining and send your kids to do that PPE degree! They can later go and buy an artist from Rwanda. 

[Spockydog]

I see the deluded twat is going to 'Make Brexit Safe.'

I mean, he might as well say, 'Make Cheese From Leopards'.

 

 

 

 

[James Arryn]

Question, on an issue like say ‘education level was one of the clearest determinants of supporting Brexit’, ie the more educated the less likely to support Brexit, in the US this would be met with a LOT of ~Brexit supporters claiming that pse is a Remain factory rather than admitting a general correlation to simply being more learned/educated as a concept. Is there a lot of that in the UK, the idea that higher education intentionally force feeds…want to say progressive/leftist thinking but I know that’s not a 1:1 with Brexit supporters…onto the more educated?

edit: and in general is there a lot of anti-intellectualism/science/education in the more right wing elements of political discourse?

[Spockydog]

"We've had enough of experts."

Is what one of the more foamy Brexiteers was consistently spouting in the runup to the referendum.

 

[mormont]

50 minutes ago, James Arryn said:

Question, on an issue like say ‘education level was one of the clearest determinants of supporting Brexit’, ie the more educated the less likely to support Brexit, in the US this would be met with a LOT of ~Brexit supporters claiming that pse is a Remain factory rather than admitting a general correlation to simply being more learned/educated as a concept. Is there a lot of that in the UK, the idea that higher education intentionally force feeds…want to say progressive/leftist thinking but I know that’s not a 1:1 with Brexit supporters…onto the more educated?

edit: and in general is there a lot of anti-intellectualism/science/education in the more right wing elements of political discourse?

You have to understand that PPE is a degree offered by one uni in the UK: Oxford.

Oxford and Cambridge are, even now, held in near reverence as institutions by Tory voters, to the extent that Truss is promising that any and all students getting certain grades at school will be guaranteed an interview for Oxbridge. (A totally impractical idea that involves compelling independent universities to do what the government tells them at great expense and will undercut social mobility: interviews are shown to be affected by social class and other demographic factors.)

When it comes to those two universities in particular, then, you see a lot of doublethink among Tory voters. On the one hand, like all universities, they are thought to harbour woke thinking and waste time on frivolous subjects taught by ivory tower academics who know nothing about real life. On the other, and at the same time, they're seen as the pinnacle of British education, the best in the world, a beacon of light and knowledge where only the best and brightest go.

[A wilding]

2 hours ago, mormont said:

Oxford and Cambridge are, even now, held in near reverence as institutions by Tory voters

Sort of, but as a Cambridge alumni I have to protest that there is some distinction between them. Oxford is the upper class solidly Tory university that aspiring Tory politicians want to go to. Cambridge is generally more intellectual upper middle class and somewhat further to the left, "Whig" being the old word for it.

To quote one (somewhat pro Oxford) saying; Oxford is the university of dreaming spires, Cambridge the university of aspiring dreams.

[kiko]

5 hours ago, James Arryn said:

edit: and in general is there a lot of anti-intellectualism/science/education in the more right wing elements of political discourse?

That's what I heard: UK is trying to uphold their class system by making education as inaccessible and unattraktive as possible for the underclass. Even though they can't be much worse than the stupid German system.

[Heartofice]

1 hour ago, kiko said:

That's what I heard: UK is trying to uphold their class system by making education as inaccessible and unattraktive as possible for the underclass. Even though they can't be much worse than the stupid German system.

Not sure how a bunch of people with useless degrees struggling to even get a job making tea is breaking down the class system 

[maarsen]

1 hour ago, Heartofice said:

Not sure how a bunch of people with useless degrees struggling to even get a job making tea is breaking down the class system 

There is a spot for useless degrees, especially if one is born into the upper class. It lets you pretend to be educated when working at the family firm. Having plebs with the same or better qualifications around reduces your value making you replaceable. Not to mention the problem of being compared to the lessers and being found wanting.