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21 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

But then again, one of the reasons why the Red Wedding is so memorable is because it was one of a kind.

The main thing about the Red Wedding was that it was still somewhat unprecedented(plus/minus Ned's death), but after 8 seasons of GoT viewers are used to that sort of things, so it becomes harder and harder to surprise people. I don't know what the HotD people are going to do, but they'll have to do something.

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18 minutes ago, Ran said:

The Dragonpit.

People are going to be really shocked and angry at the juvenile dragons getting killed. And then Syrax.

I don't think people will much care for the dragons, especially not the ones who die there. Dreamfyre are never ridden in battle, presumably, and Shrykos and Morghul we might first see when they are killed.

Folks might care about Syrax by that time, but the bigger issue there should be the city rioting and what the slaying of the dragons means politically ... not so much that people actually empathize much with those beasts.

11 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

The main thing about the Red Wedding was that it was still somewhat unprecedented(plus/minus Ned's death), but after 8 seasons of GoT viewers are used to that sort of things, so it becomes harder and harder to surprise people. I don't know what the HotD people are going to do, but they'll have to do something.

The show constantly tried to recreate this, most notably, I think, with the Jon/Dany twists, but also things the Great Sept massacre, ice zombie dragon, etc.

The crucial thing about the Red Wedding that it is a monstrous betrayal and massacre destroying an entire political faction in one night.

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34 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

The main thing about the Red Wedding was that it was still somewhat unprecedented(plus/minus Ned's death), but after 8 seasons of GoT viewers are used to that sort of things, so it becomes harder and harder to surprise people. I don't know what the HotD people are going to do, but they'll have to do something.

Well, GRRM will certainly be hard-pressed to one-up the Red Wedding...if the sequels get published.

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1 minute ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

Honestly, I'm not sure how much people will care about a bunch of CGI creatures dying, but I guess it all depends on the, uhm... execution.

Young animals, CG or otherwise, get people going. People protested Lady being killed and she appeared in basically one episode. And people were definitely not pleased with Dany's poor dragons being killed.

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1 hour ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

The main thing about the Red Wedding was that it was still somewhat unprecedented(plus/minus Ned's death), but after 8 seasons of GoT viewers are used to that sort of things, so it becomes harder and harder to surprise people. I don't know what the HotD people are going to do, but they'll have to do something.

I think Blood and Cheese will be the moment because:

1. Rhaenyra and Daemon are the "heroes" of the show

2. It's children who die

3. It will be a shocking escalation even if it's in retaliation for a teenager being killed

 

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Blood and Cheese moment can be compared to the Red weeding in terms of shock. It might be even worse.

Yes it doesn't have the same political impact, but to make a mother choose between sons..

My dad never read the books, but I remembered he wasn't that shock or even surprise when the red wedding happened. As soon as the door got closed and the music started, he said "Oh oh they're gonna be attacked".

Ned's beheading was a huge surprise though. And Shireen'burning was difficult to watch.

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3 minutes ago, C.T. Phipps said:

I think Blood and Cheese will be the moment because:

1. Rhaenyra and Daemon are the "heroes" of the show

2. It's children who die

3. It will be a shocking escalation even if it's in retaliation for a teenager being killed

That's not going to be even remotely in that league because Jaehaerys and Helaena won't be heroes or main characters. Nor is this going to come as a surprise in the episode - we are likely going to see how the plan is made and then acted out.

Not to mention in the show it is most likely going to be

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Mysaria who makes that call, as a revenge for the burning of her manse which is going to kill many of her friends and allies. In the show that's clearly not just going to be revenge for Luke.

 

32 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

Well, GRRM will certainly be hard-pressed to one-up the Red Wedding...if the sequels get published.

Oh, the books have lots of potential for uglier atrocities, especially in all the plots to get vengeance for the Red Wedding. I imagine the destruction of the Twins to rank among the cruelest events in Westerosi history, similarly the clansmen (quite literally) bathing in Bolton blood. At Winterfell we might mass murders of hundreds or thousands of prisoners.

But there is also Euron to consider whose likely the cruelest character alive. What he might do to the Arbor or KL if he ever got there is very difficult to imagine.

In winter the social order should break down even more in many places, making cannibalism, etc. a very common practice.

But I don't think a Red Wedding-like betrayal is very likely to come again ... because people will no longer trust anyone to the degree that they could be betrayed in this manner. They know this kind of thing is a real possibility now and will prepare for such an eventuality.

32 minutes ago, Ran said:

Young animals, CG or otherwise, get people going. People protested Lady being killed and she appeared in basically one episode. And people were definitely not pleased with Dany's poor dragons being killed.

They were there for many seasons ... and they were all killed in a very silly manner. True enough, the fact that the dragons will be mostly chained and imprisoned is going to make it somewhat of a tragedy ... but in the end they are monsters who will have killed thousands of people at that point, so folks might actually cheer on the Shepherd and his followers.

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12 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

That's not going to be even remotely in that league because Jaehaerys and Helaena won't be heroes or main characters. Nor is this going to come as a surprise in the episode - we are likely going to see how the plan is made and then acted out.

Jaehaerys will be too young to have any kind of character development, but we might get more screentime for Helaena than we though. Just like they seem to extend the character of Aemma Arryn.

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1 minute ago, Khloey said:

Jaehaerys will be too young to have any kind of character development, but we might get more screentime for Helaena than we though. Just like they seem to extand the character of Aemma Arryn.

I really hope they don't backpedal on our heroes responsibility for killing the child.

And yes, Helaena should be shown as an innocent victim of Aegon.

Someone we care enough about that her madness and suicide has impact.

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3 minutes ago, C.T. Phipps said:

I really hope they don't backpedal on our heroes responsibility for killing the child.

There won't be any backpedaling there - the book doesn't indicate that Rhaenyra actually authorized this, nor is it clear that Daemon signed off on that specific murder.

And as I said - if the leaks are correct,

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then Mysaria has her own strong motivation to get even with Otto and his brood, so the whole Luke thing is not necessarily going to be the deciding factor there.

 

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3 minutes ago, C.T. Phipps said:

I really hope they don't backpedal on our heroes responsibility for killing the child.

And yes, Helaena should be shown as an innocent victim of Aegon.

Someone we care enough about that her madness and suicide has impact.

Yes, that's my guess, especially if they stick about what they said about the importance of grey characters.

I want to see Daemon's letter to Rhaenyra : "eye for eye, a son for a son, Lucerys will be avenged".

I can already imagine the headlines after the episode : Sophie's choice GOT like deemed worse thant the red wedding by fans" ^^

That should create a big change of how viewers see the Black team, which I assumed will be the favorite at the start of the series.

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Blood and Cheese could very easily come off as edgelord torture porn if they’re not careful. It will be emotional and shocking, but I don’t think it will come anywhere close to the Red Wedding, and honestly, that’s okay.

Just watching the dragons burn people alive in the new trailer made me resent them, the same way I resented Dany and her dragons on GOT. I think viewers will be split on whether the Storming of the Dragonpit is horrific or justified.

I don’t recall people being that upset about the dragons dying, although I obviously didn’t see every reaction out there. There was so much other stuff going on during those scenes that it diverted attention away from their deaths.

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10 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

There won't be any backpedaling there - the book doesn't indicate that Rhaenyra actually authorized this, nor is it clear that Daemon signed off on that specific murder.

And as I said - if the leaks are correct,

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then Mysaria has her own strong motivation to get even with Otto and his brood, so the whole Luke thing is not necessarily going to be the deciding factor there.

 

The leaks make it sound like Mysaria has been hell-a whitewashed. We’ll see how accurate they were soon, but she sounds like TV-Varys right now.

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55 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

That's not going to be even remotely in that league because Jaehaerys and Helaena won't be heroes or main characters. Nor is this going to come as a surprise in the episode - we are likely going to see how the plan is made and then acted out.

Not to mention in the show it is most likely going to be

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Mysaria who makes that call, as a revenge for the burning of her manse which is going to kill many of her friends and allies. In the show that's clearly not just going to be revenge for Luke.

 

Oh, the books have lots of potential for uglier atrocities, especially in all the plots to get vengeance for the Red Wedding. I imagine the destruction of the Twins to rank among the cruelest events in Westerosi history, similarly the clansmen (quite literally) bathing in Bolton blood. At Winterfell we might mass murders of hundreds or thousands of prisoners.

But there is also Euron to consider whose likely the cruelest character alive. What he might do to the Arbor or KL if he ever got there is very difficult to imagine.

In winter the social order should break down even more in many places, making cannibalism, etc. a very common practice.

But I don't think a Red Wedding-like betrayal is very likely to come again ... because people will no longer trust anyone to the degree that they could be betrayed in this manner. They know this kind of thing is a real possibility now and will prepare for such an eventuality.

They were there for many seasons ... and they were all killed in a very silly manner. True enough, the fact that the dragons will be mostly chained and imprisoned is going to make it somewhat of a tragedy ... but in the end they are monsters who will have killed thousands of people at that point, so folks might actually cheer on the Shepherd and his followers.

Animals generally arouse more sympathy than people, so yes, people will be rooting for the dragons over the folks of Kings Landing.

WRT ASOIAF, yes, I expect whoever takes the twins will execute every man woman and child. And then, there’s the burning of Shireen at the stake to “look forward” to…

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1 hour ago, SeanF said:

Animals generally arouse more sympathy than people, so yes, people will be rooting for the dragons over the folks of Kings Landing.

especially animals with characteristics people have come to love over the years ( Syrax , Dreamfyre and Tyraxes ) over a bunch of extras people don't know... so yeah the audience won't like the Dragonpit scene. 

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17 minutes ago, EggBlue said:

especially animals with characteristics people have come to love over the years ( Syrax , Dreamfyre and Tyraxes ) over a bunch of extras people don't know... so yeah the audience won't like the Dragonpit scene. 

I suspect a lot of people will be going into this with little sympathy for the people of Kings Landing, given their general unpleasantness in GOT.

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