BlackLightning Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 On 8/26/2022 at 9:49 PM, EggBlue said: I agree that Blackfyre rebellions (the first one specifically) had more interesting characters and more intriguing relationship dynamics. Yo... When I tell you that I cannot wait for Fire and Blood, Volume 2 to come out.... On 8/27/2022 at 11:03 AM, butterweedstrover said: How big is that number? I was under the impression the mainstream audience hates fantasy stuff. More like mainstream adult audiences. The reason why a lot of mainstream adult audiences (pre-LOTR) hated fantasy is because all of those garbage sword-and-sorcery/dungeons-and-dragons movies from the 80s and the predictably stale science fiction pieces from the 50s. It was just a (forgive me) shitty genre because it was so difficult to make back then without completely jumping the shark or violating suspension of belief. And most adults are too busy to immerse themselves in fiction books, much less fantasy. Culturally, people used to look down on people who had their heads in the clouds. The mid-20th century was all about reality and work. Adults, particularly men, who were into that stuff were seen as lazy weirdos. Fantasy was a genre for kids that they were expected to grow out of. Sci-fi got a bit more leeway but it was always grounded, low fantasy sci-fi than anything with aliens or superpowers. Star Wars (and by extension, the Superman and Wonder Woman TV shows) were the exception of course. And even then, Star Wars -- believe it or not -- was a kids' movie that had enormous crossover appeal. It wasn't supposed to be that successful. And only the movies were global events...the only people who cared about the books and toys and whatever were children. Ultimately, given the success of Star Wars, I think it was ultimately a case of how fantasy films and TV shows were just so terribly made and haphazardly written that no one wanted to watch them. Everyone was a kid once and kids are known for their imagination and joy and adventure. It just takes something different for all of us to awaken that inner life and spark our imagination. The Star Wars kids became productive members of society who had a deep love for fantasy and/or sci-fi and they started multiplying, influencing their kids and grandkids and thus society. Which brings us to the big gamechanger with LOTR (and to a lesser extent, the very first X-Men movie). Mainstream audiences never thought that fantastical elements could coexist with adult drama....cue sparked imaginations and inner child awakenings. By the time Game of Thrones came out, to be a lover of science-fiction and fantasy (and even horror) became cool. On 8/27/2022 at 5:45 PM, C.T. Phipps said: Yeah, these numbers are "Game of Thrones/House of The Dragon is a cultural phenomenon." I think House of the Dragon will be bigger than Game of Thrones ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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