Deadly Dance of the She-wolves

[Only 89 selfies today]

A twist which would make the stories of Sansa and Arya at least somewhat interesting is a battle between the two she-wolves.  I can see a scenario where Sansa will betray the family again and Arya puts her on the List.  I don't want  a sisterly spat.  It should be very serious and only one survives.  The duo of Sansa and Littlefinger against Arya. 

[Aejohn the Conqueroo]

I wonder when and how the Starks might meet up again and how many of them will be left when it happens. Will they start digging into history with one another? The show made a pretty ham fisted attempt to show Sansa's actions in book 1 possibly coming back to haunt her in the form of revenge from Arya, but then turned it all into a horrible fake out and they did in Baelish.  Sansa's betrayal got Ned killed though and scattered the family, I don't think we can just take for granted that she wont be pressed to account for her actions.  I think a lot will depend on the manner of Arya's return and whether she's forsworn the whole "I'm noone" thing and embraced her Arya Stark identity. I think it's safe to say that given the opportunity both Bran and Jon would emphasize forbearance and forgiveness but assuming they'll have the opportunity is a stretch.  

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

I don't see a sisterly war happening at all, nor do I see Sansa betraying her family after reunion.

And Arya will surely be angry but not enough to disown or want to kill her sister for a naive mistake Sansa did.

[Springwatch]

3 hours ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said:

Sansa's betrayal got Ned killed though and scattered the family,

She didn't. You might be thinking of the show.

3 hours ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said:

I don't think we can just take for granted that she wont be pressed to account for her actions. 

It's possible. I'm starting to think what people believe, in-world, is more important than what actually happened. I mean, Sansa's on the run for regicide - being innocent is a minor detail with no significance. All to show the power of narrative, maybe.

[Moiraine Sedai]

18 hours ago, Only 89 selfies today said:

A twist which would make the stories of Sansa and Arya at least somewhat interesting is a battle between the two she-wolves.  I can see a scenario where Sansa will betray the family again and Arya puts her on the List.  I don't want  a sisterly spat.  It should be very serious and only one survives.  The duo of Sansa and Littlefinger against Arya. 

I have been wishing for a “dance of the direwolves” for a long time. Ever since I read the story. The Targaryens had their dance and it hurt the family. I want the Starks to have the same experience. 

[Aejohn the Conqueroo]

19 minutes ago, Springwatch said:

She didn't. You might be thinking of the show

She told Cersei that the Starks were going to ditch KL and head back home. That was in the book.

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

13 minutes ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said:

She told Cersei that the Starks were going to ditch KL and head back home. That was in the book.

That's not betrayal at all. She didn't have a clue of what was happening, and had no idea of the conflict between her father and the Lannisters nor of what kind of person Cersei was and of what would happen by telling her that she and Arya were leaving. 

[Springwatch]

8 minutes ago, Aejohn the Conqueroo said:

She told Cersei that the Starks were going to ditch KL and head back home. That was in the book.

Ned wasn't going. He was going to stay and sort things out.

Besides. Robert was at the point of death, and Cersei's coup was already in motion, and that includes the capture of the Tower of the Hand. Nothing Sansa said could make any difference.

[Hugorfonics]

How can Sansa betray the family? She is the family. Except Arya, she's a thing now apparently. Usurping the blood line marrying Bolton and reigning in Winterfell. Who's betrayed the family now? Stark needs justice for Robb even if that means warring on that sister she never liked. She did like Jeyne though, who is Arya. And she has a story to tell about her adopted father... This road is getting bloody but it's not wolf blood. Let's see if we can liven it up. 

 

Arya likes to steal faces, it's easy!  Nobody identity is safe, not Weasels not Mercys not, Arya? Ok who's this now and why's she bunking with Bolton, that dude was creeps. And Sansa's allying with her her? Scuze me Mrs. Lannister? Ok this story's getting a little juicy.

 

Stark needs justice for Robb. She used to be called Stark, Tully, before that, something new now. She can't even gurgle a death sentence without stepping on a Frey or Kingslayer. This is nice, but it's not justice. For that she must head home, plus things are getting confusing in the south. A Targaryen lol, he has no dragon and his hairs blue, blue! Wait, is Arya f too like Jaime said (probably), she also has no animal by her side. And now a fSansa? Like Lady your hairs black, wait, who's your dad, Mr. Bailish, you got some splaynin to do. Stoneheart is angry and confused, that's scary.

 

But what is this? Girls only club, no boys allowed? Because my boy is back. And he's not playing now, he understands what it's like to be murdered by those considered brothers, brothers! Not girls who dress up as half sisters. The world's a dark place and filled with shadows. Perhaps Robbs will may make it's way north, the king has now come. He needs step momma's  crown for that though and angry confused sisters to placate.

 

But the sisters aren't the only ones angry. Like fJon this Stark comes with a wolf. He has the weakest claim consulted by a wildling and at total mercy of the high lords of the north.

 

My bet? Bran

[TheLastWolf]

Not another effing hate thread, Queen Liz just died

[TheLastWolf]

13 hours ago, Moiraine Sedai said:

I have been wishing for a “dance of the direwolves” for a long time. Ever since I read the story. The Targaryens had their dance and it hurt the family. I want the Starks to have the same experience. 

Long overdue visit to the shrink

[Aejohn the Conqueroo]

16 hours ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

That's not betrayal at all. She didn't have a clue of what was happening, and had no idea of the conflict between her father and the Lannisters nor of what kind of person Cersei was and of what would happen by telling her that she and Arya were leaving. 

This is an old argument and I'm doubtful either of us will change the other's mind.

 

17 hours ago, Springwatch said:

what people believe, in-world, is more important than what actually happened. I mean, Sansa's on the run for regicide - being innocent is a minor detail with no significance. All to show the power of narrative, maybe.

Ultimately this is the truth here. It's going to come down to what the other Starks think and I don't think they're going to hear our arguments.

[Northern Sword]

16 hours ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

That's not betrayal at all. She didn't have a clue of what was happening, and had no idea of the conflict between her father and the Lannisters nor of what kind of person Cersei was and of what would happen by telling her that she and Arya were leaving. 

Ignorance is not innocence.

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

15 minutes ago, Northern Sword said:

Ignorance is not innocence.

Which doesn't change the fact that it wasn't betrayal, Sansa had no intention of turning on her father nor had any idea about what was the real situation she was in and of what the Lannisters were making her do.

Anyone able of thinking rationaly would be able to realize this. 

[Northern Sword]

5 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

Which doesn't change the fact that it wasn't betrayal.

I believe it is betrayal. If you take your families plans and secrets to your rivals and enemies... that makes you a betrayer. Especially, when you do it for a selfish and frivolous reason.

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

1 minute ago, Northern Sword said:

I believe it is betrayal. If you take your families plans and secrets to your rivals and enemies... that makes you a betrayer. Especially, when you do it for a selfish and frivolous reason.

She just told Cersei that she and Arya were leaving King's Landing, she didn't know or stated her father's plans, who he didn't tell to her anyway.  And she had no idea of the situation nor that there was any enmity between her family and the queen nor what kind of person Cersei truly was. 

That doesn't count as betrayal to me, and it wouldn't have changed much anyway because Cersei's plans were already in motion.

[Northern Sword]

14 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

She just told Cersei that she and Arya were leaving King's Landing, she didn't know or stated her father's plans, who he didn't tell to her anyway.  And she had no idea of the situation nor that there was any enmity between her family and the queen nor what kind of person Cersei truly was. 

That doesn't count as betrayal to me, and it wouldn't have changed much anyway because Cersei's plans were already in motion.

Information is power, when you have info on your rival, you use it against them. She spelled out her families plans to their enemies. Hence, Betrayal.

[Hugorfonics]

Sansa apologists, huh? I mean she's my favorite Stark character, but largely because of a substantial backstory 

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"Why else should you have come to me and told me of your father's plan to send you away from us, if not for love?"

"It was for love," Sansa said in a rush. "Father wouldn't even give me leave to say farewell." She was the good girl, the obedient girl, but she had felt as wicked as Arya that morning, sneaking away from Septa Mordane, defying her lord father. She had never done anything so willful before, and she would never have done it then if she hadn't loved Joffrey as much as she did. "He was going to take me back to Winterfell and marry me to some hedge knight, even though it was Joff I wanted. I told him, but he wouldn't listen." The king had been her last hope. The king could command Father to let her stay in King's Landing and marry Prince Joffrey, Sansa knew he could, but the king had always frightened her. He was loud and rough-voiced and drunk as often as not, and he would probably have just sent her back to Lord Eddard, if they even let her see him. So she went to the queen instead, and poured out her heart, and Cersei had listened and thanked her sweetly … only then Ser Arys had escorted her to the high room in Maegor's Holdfast and posted guards, and a few hours later, the fighting had begun outside. "Please," she finished, "you have to let me marry Joffrey, I'll be ever so good a wife to him, you'll see. I'll be a queen just like you, I promise."

Lol queen just like you. She promised. Anyways, Cersei thinks it's on Sansa

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"Littlefinger made the arrangements. We needed Slynt's gold cloaks. Eddard Stark was plotting with Renly and he'd written to Lord Stannis, offering him the throne. We might have lost all. Even so, it was a close thing. If Sansa hadn't come to me and told me all her father's plans . . ."

Tyrion was surprised. "Truly? His own daughter?" Sansa had always seemed such a sweet child, tender and courteous.

"The girl was wet with love. She would have done anything for Joffrey, until he cut off her father's head and called it mercy. That put an end to that."

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[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

8 minutes ago, Northern Sword said:

Information is power, when you have info on your rival, you use it against them. She spelled out her families plans to their enemies. Hence, Betrayal.

She didn't know that her family was in a rivalry with the Lannisters, and the only plan she told was of her father planning to send her and Arya back to the North. 

Other than that she didn't tell or even knew any of her father's plans. 

That's not enough for a betrayal, nor for Arya to make a vendetta against her. 

[The Commentator]

On 9/7/2022 at 10:04 PM, Only 89 selfies today said:

A twist which would make the stories of Sansa and Arya at least somewhat interesting is a battle between the two she-wolves.  I can see a scenario where Sansa will betray the family again and Arya puts her on the List.  I don't want  a sisterly spat.  It should be very serious and only one survives.  The duo of Sansa and Littlefinger against Arya. 

Sansa is very selfish. That will undo her and lead her to a sad ending. Still, she is not a heartless murderer like Arya. I will support Sansa in a Sansa-Arya fight to the death. Arya is more deserving of death. The girls will more than likely fight over many things. One being Winterfell and the other over Petyr Baelish. Sansa’s bond with Baelish will never waiver.