Daeron the Daring Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Look, Lord Bracken on the screen. I wonder if he's gonna be an arseho....oh, he's dead. House Blackwood for the W, I guess. Ain't no bias in this episode, just scroll forward. I'm sure the show won't be reinforcing that attitude later on with some Blackwood kiddo being a gigachad or something. No chance. Cashless Society and Targaryen_Fangirl 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 The best thing about HotD is how it makes me sympathetic to Alicent. Actually it makes me cheer for her, wishing her best. Which, book never did. And honestly, we are getting an incredible context to everything she will do in the future. Between Viserys' public humiliation, marital rape, Haelena's health issues, and Rhaenyra's lies... Add pressure by Otto, and previously established psychological issues and you get a young woman, lost in the world, where everyone around her is not treating her with modicum of respect. Freedom was a big theme in the episode. When Rhaenyra complained about men, Alicent reminds her that women in the realm are lucky if they get to choose between 2, let alone dozens of men. There is a parallel between how they shot Aemma dying and the non-consensual intercourse between Alicent and Viserys. That bird perspective shot on blooded bed of Aemma and Alicent's face while Viserys is on top of her just reiterates the tragedy of the most powerful woman in Westeros - the Queen. The ending was perfect for me. Orwyle bringing Moon tea to Rhaenyra was such a powerful statement about Viserys - yeah, honey, he did what you made him do, but no, he is not buying your sh*t. And Rhaenyra knows it. The camera work could have been better in this scene, to be a bit more effective, the the point made was simply brilliant. As people said, we are setting up the Dance in a brilliant way. It is slowly brewing, but the inevitability of the confilct has become clear. Cashless Society and britomartis 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cock_merchant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Zorral said: The after show said straight out it was impotence. He is impotent. We already saw him be so in the first episode. Not actual ED though, just that he has mental issues that cause him performance issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zajaz Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 11 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said: Check out the House of the Dragon subreddit. Tons of talk about this. Thank you for the suggestion (for real), but that sub is full of Black, Daemon, and Rhaenyra stans on such level that it kinda reminds me of a cult. EggBlue, The Bard of Banefort and butterweedstrover 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zajaz Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Mithras said: Getting worse. Now we are in the full soap opera territory. I thought it was common knowledge that ASoIaF was a soap opera? A really, really, realy good soap opera, but a soap opera still. EggBlue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, butterweedstrover said: Rhaenyra is no rightful heir, she has to do her due deligiance to earn the throne like any successor Talking about unfair standards. Rhaenyra is the only successor that actually has to work for it. This may be the best episode yet. This show has gotten me feeling pity of Alicent of all people. I just don't know anymore. Btw, I saw the sex scene between Cole and Rhaenyra and it reminded me of Arianne and her Kg. The Kg unwillingly to betray his vows but enjoying every moment of it, hell isn't the man smiling? Ofc when clarity hits back, the guilt comes back so... Edited September 12, 2022 by frenin Targaryen_Fangirl, EggBlue and Lady Fevre Dream 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I fully support Rhaenyra’s claim to the throne. But when you compare her to someone such as, say, Alysanne, and how she handled being queen at an even younger age, Rhaenyra clearly falls short by quite a margin. Or even someone like Sansa—consider how she handles less-than-ideal suitors in the books and then compare that to Rhaenyra’s behavior at Storm’s End. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zajaz Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I fully support Rhaenyra’s claim to the throne. But when you compare her to someone such as, say, Alysanne, and how she handled being queen at an even younger age, Rhaenyra clearly falls short by quite a margin. Or even someone like Sansa—consider how she handles less-than-ideal suitors in the books and then compare that to Rhaenyra’s behavior at Storm’s End. I'm not quite sure if I actually support Rhaenyra's claim from an in-universe point of view, to be honest. If anything, I feel like I would have supported Rhaenys' claim. There are times when I feel like she got robbed even harder than Rhaenyra, since, unlike Rhaenyra, Rhaenys actually was her father's (the Prince of Dragonstone) only child. In fact, you could argue that Rhaenys is another Matilda, while Viserys is another Stephen of Blois. Edited September 12, 2022 by zajaz The Bard of Banefort and EggBlue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 By the way, have they even established that the Kingsguard are sworn to celibacy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: fully support Rhaenyra’s claim to the throne. But when you compare her to someone such as, say, Alysanne, and how she handled being queen at an even younger age, She reminds me of an spoiled Jaeharys actually, Jaeharys's stunt to blindside, alienate and humiliate his most powerful supporters and the Church just because he wants and only wants Alysanne. I wonder what would people act if she pulled that move, given that she's being ripped for this lol. That being said, they could do a little more "Realm's delight" and a little less brat princess. It can only work so long. 24 minutes ago, zajaz said: There are times when I feel like she got robbed even harder than Rhaenyra I mean she was. Then again, hereditary monarchy is stupid so having an arbitrary gender rule for who gets the chair doesn't bother me that much. If the Greens had followed Jaeharys's footsteps instead of committing a coup and leading the continent perhaps I could side with them? EggBlue and The Bard of Banefort 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 The Realm’s Delight moniker definitely felt sarcastic in this episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Oldstones Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 On twitter Rhaenyra is more praised than ever for being sexually liberated and lying and posters are actually dissing Alicent for being otherwise. As i read someone's post. I too felt bad for Rhaenyra. Daemon left her half naked in that strange brothel alone to fend for herself. Daemon was the creator of the whole mess. So while seeing next episode trailer, it seems someone falls from a horse. It seems like a male but. Spoiler It could actually be Rhea Royce. Given her fate. And Daemon was in Vale looking landscape in that trailer. Makes sense that Daemon marries Laena as well in next episode. It might be offscreen though. LadyFitzRandolph 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheValonqarThatWasAzorAhai Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Anyone else think that it was Alicent who sent the maester with the moon/tansy tea? She could have easily told him that it was on the King’s order. Maybe it was a plot to create distrust among father and daughter. Or it could have been a way of protecting Rhaenyra, just in case. Their relationship seemed to improve in this episode. I am also wondering how they are going to split Rhaenyra and Sir Cole up. In the book, he never threw away his Kingsguard vow. Anyone else notice in the sneak peek of next weeks episode when Otto told Alicent ,”The King is dying.” Why would he say that now when Viserys lives for at least ten more years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 In context, I think Alicent is even going to have more issues with Rhaenyra's freedom in her open marriage considering she knows nothing of that kind at all. But I think their entire arc has been botched by cutting so much material. Episode 2 clearly set up a rift between them due to the marriage betrayal which was then apparently confirmed by episode 3 since they cut the wedding dress scenes. In episode 4 they are clearly friends again, which comes as a considerable surprise. It seems to be kind of strange that Alicent doesn't really grow into her role as queen at all. Queens are wives, in the end, and have to suffer marital intercourse ... but they are queens nonetheless. By that time Queen Alicent might lack 'friends', but should have favorites and companions aplenty ... and her own coterie of supporters cherishing her for the simple fact that she gave the king and the Realm a male heir. Alicent should have been at the center of attention during the royal hunt last episode. I really like how they set up Alicent as the chaste woman, the dutiful wife as the villain. In such a society such women are the ones beyond reproach, the ones defending male honor, doing their duty, living only for their husband and sons. 2 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I fully support Rhaenyra’s claim to the throne. But when you compare her to someone such as, say, Alysanne, and how she handled being queen at an even younger age, Rhaenyra clearly falls short by quite a margin. Or even someone like Sansa—consider how she handles less-than-ideal suitors in the books and then compare that to Rhaenyra’s behavior at Storm’s End. Alysanne ran away with her own brother and pretty much spat in the face of her betrothed, the most honorable Ser Orryn Baratheon. Rhaenyra must have been the royal who faced the largest army of suitors prior to Aegon III. That she tires of the thing does make sense, especially if the candidates in question ridicule themselves during their presentation. The whole suitor tour feels like nonsense in context. Viserys actually wants the Velaryon match since the last episode, so a suitor tour should chronologically have come before the Lannister match. Have the girl look up potential matches of her own, then narrow it down to the best candidates, and eventually announce a betrothal. Could have worked much better if we had actually seen Rhaenyra doing a royal progress and being approached by (unwanted) suitors all the time. It seems they finally start giving Rhaenyra her own nervous thing with the rings from the portrait description. She starts doing that when she is bored. Regarding the issue about Rhaenyra being alone with Criston earlier: Folks don't view KG as men who seduce or lie with princesses - nor other sworn shields, or else society would not permit them. The issue in the episode at hand is that Rhaenyra was disguised and out without proper supervision in questionable places, especially brothels. Targaryen_Fangirl and EggBlue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: In context, I think Alicent is even going to have more issues with Rhaenyra's freedom in her open marriage considering she knows nothing of that kind at all. But I think their entire arc has been botched by cutting so much material. Episode 2 clearly set up a rift between them due to the marriage betrayal which was then apparently confirmed by episode 3 since they cut the wedding dress scenes. In episode 4 they are clearly friends again, which comes as a considerable surprise. It seems to be kind of strange that Alicent doesn't really grow into her role as queen at all. Queens are wives, in the end, and have to suffer marital intercourse ... but they are queens nonetheless. By that time Queen Alicent might lack 'friends', but should have favorites and companions aplenty ... and her own coterie of supporters cherishing her for the simple fact that she gave the king and the Realm a male heir. Alicent should have been at the center of attention during the royal hunt last episode. I really like how they set up Alicent as the chaste woman, the dutiful wife as the villain. In such a society such women are the ones beyond reproach, the ones defending male honor, doing their duty, living only for their husband and sons. Alysanne ran away with her own brother and pretty much spat in the face of her betrothed, the most honorable Ser Orryn Baratheon. Rhaenyra must have been the royal who faced the largest army of suitors prior to Aegon III. That she tires of the thing does make sense, especially if the candidates in question ridicule themselves during their presentation. The whole suitor tour feels like nonsense in context. Viserys actually wants the Velaryon match since the last episode, so a suitor tour should chronologically have come before the Lannister match. Have the girl look up potential matches of her own, then narrow it down to the best candidates, and eventually announce a betrothal. Could have worked much better if we had actually seen Rhaenyra doing a royal progress and being approached by (unwanted) suitors all the time. It seems they finally start giving Rhaenyra her own nervous thing with the rings from the portrait description. She starts doing that when she is bored. Regarding the issue about Rhaenyra being alone with Criston earlier: Folks don't view KG as men who seduce or lie with princesses - nor other sworn shields, or else society would not permit them. The issue in the episode at hand is that Rhaenyra was disguised and out without proper supervision in questionable places, especially brothels. Alysanne took up initiative from the time she was a preteen with diplomacy, religion, study, etc. All we’ve seen Rhaenyra do so far is sulk. I don’t know if this is true, but the rumor I heard is that they cut the additional scenes from E2 for editing purposes. If so, that’s a real shame, and they should have dropped the season later in the year. EggBlue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, cock_merchant said: Not actual ED though, just that he has mental issues that cause him performance issues. As if that makes any difference to the fact that he has no kids to contribute to the Targaryan line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Here’s one huge positive from this episode: Daemon looks waaaay better with short hair. That was a much better wig, and it’s a shame that it looks like they’ll only be keeping it for an episode or two. I’ll probably miss him once he’s gone, but I’ve about had my fill of Viserys at this point. I’m tired of all his brooding and pouting. EggBlue, Caligula_K3 and Deadlines? What Deadlines? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, Zorral said: As if that makes any difference to the fact that he has no kids to contribute to the Targaryan line. Yeah, it’s a weird decision considering he eventually fathers six kids, four of whom live well into adulthood. Targaryen_Fangirl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zajaz Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: Regarding the issue about Rhaenyra being alone with Criston earlier: Folks don't view KG as men who seduce or lie with princesses - nor other sworn shields, or else society would not permit them. The issue in the episode at hand is that Rhaenyra was disguised and out without proper supervision in questionable places, especially brothels. That might be true, but there is already a precedent (in the books, that is. Perhaps no such thing happened in the show universe) of a Princess being giving way her virtue or being "wanton", and a Kingsguard member being breaking his vows. So one would guess people should know that Princess and Kingsguards are just average people (concerning sexual matters). I feel like Rhaenyra spending all night long alone with a Kingsguard should raise some eyebrows (at the least the eyebrows of wiser or more "distrustful" people, if they were to know about the whole thing). Edited September 12, 2022 by zajaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: he eventually fathers six kids, Which I do / did not know. I'm going by what the show shows. Period. And as of now, he's got no kids and he can't make any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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