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2 minutes ago, Larry of the Lake said:

The spoiler policy is rarely enforced around here anymore

Wait a fucking minute. Are you suggesting L. Ron Hubbard was a liar? How could you?!?!?

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Donald Trump humiliated J.D. Vance for fun

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/19/politics/donald-trump-jd-vance-ohio-rally/index.html

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At a rally on Saturday night for Ohio GOP Senate nominee J.D. Vance, Trump made sure the crowd knew that Vance was subservient to him -- big time.


"J.D. is kissing my ass he wants my support so bad," Trump said.

Trump was reacting to a New York Times story that reported Vance had not actually invited Trump to campaign with him in the state. Instead, Trump's team had simply told Vance that they would be coming to Ohio for a rally.

Trump's campaign stops have always been, primarily, about Trump. You can tell that by the amount of time he spends talking about himself (a lot) versus how much time he spends talking about the candidate for whom he is ostensibly campaigning (very little).

But he has rarely thrown a candidate he endorsed so directly under the bus as he did Vance over the weekend. "He made J.D. Vance look like a mouse, not a man," former Virginia Republican Rep. Barbara Comstock told CNN of the moment. "It was humiliating."

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

How do people who abase themselves to get the Turd’s endorsement look at themselves in the mirror?  Seriously, particularly after they previously recognized him for the Turd he is… I’m thinking about Vance, Cruz, Graham, etc…. They all previously called out the Turd and now they publicly lick the Turd’s boots….

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38 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

How do people who abase themselves to get the Turd’s endorsement look at themselves in the mirror?  Seriously, particularly after they previously recognized him for the Turd he is… I’m thinking about Vance, Cruz, Graham, etc…. They all previously called out the Turd and now they publicly lick the Turd’s boots….

Well, this is the bootstraps guy, remember. This all part of his journey from rags to greatness.

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7 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

Well, this is the bootstraps guy, remember. This all part of his journey from rags to greatness.

Too bad OGE isn't still around, he had many things to say about Vance and what a phony he is.  

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1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Who the heck is “Michael Tracey” and how does he have 261,000 followers on Twitter saying things like this:

 

Well I'm not about to be up with whatever I'm sure he's trying to say.

But he's not, basically, incorrect. Nazi Germany and America were enemies throughout WW2, for economic reasons alone. Just like, by 1915, the Kaiser's Germany and U.S.A were enemies. For economic purposes, again. 

There's no Jewish conspiracy of course, it's basic geopolitics as driven through economy. Like literally the easiest thing to grasp about a nation state and its policies.

In 1914 U.S.A would have happily supported Germany's war effort exactly as it supported the Entente's. But the British said no, you are our supplier or no ones. And U.S.A took that deal because we're a nation of lazy greedy assholes and thus became a nation of lazy greedy asshole war profiteers. 

So when Soviet troops are dying wearing American made boots, dying driving American made trucks, and dying firing American made rifles as the Nazis drive on Moscow in '41... C'mon, you're already enemies. Yes, in Hitler's worm eaten brain that pretty straightforward political opposition is some kind of Jewish conspiracy. But that doesn't mean the broader fact that America and Nazisim (used to be) are openly opposed to one another. 

Now, where it's again a-okay to point out what a dumb fuck Hitler is in this calculation (setting aside the rabid anti-Semitism for dispassionate analysis), is that it's better to have America happy and fat playing banker of the Allies than it is to have them come out their weight on you too. 

The real failure of unrestricted submarine warfare wasn't strategic (failing to starve Britannia), it was a political failure because it made U.S.A a naked belligerent. One of a hundred lessons from the first World War that Hitler was too batshit to learn. 

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@Firebrand Jace

Implying that… but for US intervention in Europe the Shoah wouldn’t have happened is Horseshit of the highest order.  In Mein Kampf Hitler laid out his plans to kills Jews.  That had nothing to do with US intervention.  Further sharing any claim that the WWII allies were a “Jewish-dominated alliance” is a fucking mountain of Horseshit.

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Huh? 

Nah, I'm saying that U.S.A existed in opposition to Imperial Germany years before war was declared in 1917. And also that one of the disastrous consequences of unrestricted sub warfare was that USA went from opponent to open enemy.

Hitler's relation to USA in 1941 is basically the same thing over again. Again with disastrous consequences for the German leadership.

So what I'm actually trying to convey here is that Putin would be a fool to try and politic-play himself into some situation where NATO has declared war on Russia. If you're Russia you'd rather fight Ukraine with America in its corner than Ukraine and America both in the ring at the same time. 

Does that make any sense?

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10 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

@Firebrand Jace

Implying that… but for US intervention in Europe the Shoah wouldn’t have happened is Horseshit of the highest order.  In Mein Kampf Hitler laid out his plans to kills Jews.  That had nothing to do with US intervention.  Further sharing any claim that the WWII allies were a “Jewish-dominated alliance” is a fucking mountain of Horseshit.

tracey is mid wit contrarian worm with absolutely no redeeming qualities at all aside from starring in the wonderful video arrest tantrum video, and but that’s not at all what he is saying. 

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8 minutes ago, outsourcing consent said:

what

I had to look it up too.  It’s an old slang word that’s come back in style, near as I can tell.

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From Wiktionary,

(politics, slang, derogatory, by extension) A supporter of the policies of the Soviet Union or other authoritarian socialist governments.quotations ▼

 

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