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The Two Queens

pov: Cersei- 8chapters, Nymeria- 9 chapters, Tyene-  6 chapters

1)The Discovery of Kevan’s murder results in heightened tension  between Cersei and the tyrells.

2)Cersei wins her trial and is reinstated to the post of Regent.

4)Mace Tyrell leaves the capital with half of his army to relive the siege of Storms end

5)The Lannister army, the one that was at raventree hall arrives in the capital.

6)Margaery loses her trial due to political machinations of nymeria and tyene . She is executed on the steps of the Great Sept immediately.

7) The remaining Tyrell army attacks the great sept, the sparrows attack the tyrell army. The Lannister army attacks both sparrows and the Tyrell army. King Tommen is killed in the chaos of the attack following the execution, followed hours later by princess Myrcella 

8) The city is divided into 3 zones, Tyrell army- Dragonpit and it’s area, Sparrows - The  great sept of Baelor The Lannister army with red keep 

 

 

The Vale

1) Arrival of Aegon causes divided loyalties among the lords

2)During the tourney, Harry the Heir is killed in the joust.

3) The Senior Royce faction blames little finger 

4)The Junior Royce/ Littlefinger faction blames the senior Royce faction since alayne was going to marry Harry the heir.

5)Civil war breaks out, Littlefinger dies in the first skirmish .


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23 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

The Two Queens

pov: Cersei- 8chapters, Nymeria- 9 chapters, Tyene-  6 chapters

1)The Discovery of Kevan’s murder results in heightened tension  between Cersei and the tyrells.

2)Cersei wins her trial and is reinstated to the post of Regent.

4)Mace Tyrell leaves the capital with half of his army to relive the siege of Storms end

5)The Lannister army, the one that was at raventree hall arrives in the capital.

6)Margaery loses her trial due to political machinations of nymeria and tyene . She is executed on the steps of the Great Sept immediately.

7) The remaining Tyrell army attacks the great sept, the sparrows attack the tyrell army. The Lannister army attacks both sparrows and the Tyrell army. King Tommen is killed in the chaos of the attack following the execution, followed hours later by princess Myrcella 

8) The city is divided into 3 zones, Tyrell army- Dragonpit and it’s area, Sparrows - The  great sept of Baelor The Lannister army with red keep 

 

 

The Vale

1) Arrival of Aegon causes divided loyalties among the lords

2)During the tourney, Harry the Heir is killed in the joust.

3) The Senior Royce faction blames little finger 

4)The Junior Royce/ Littlefinger faction blames the senior Royce faction since alayne was going to marry Harry the heir.

5)Civil war breaks out, Littlefinger dies in the first skirmish .


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GRRM has said there will be no new POVs.  While he might add one for coverage (like Barristan in ADWD), it won't be Nym or Tyene; certainly not 15 chapters worth.

Cersei will win her trial, but I doubt she becomes regent.  Margaery will win as well.  They can't afford to anger a powerful family like the Tyrells, especially since they have no case.  As long as Jaime is missing, the Lannister army isn't returning.  Anyway, it's down to a few hundred men or so.

The Vale is Sansa's playground.  It's where she will learn political persuasion and start to become a player.  Littlefinger is being set up as her antagonist; someone she has to figure out and deal with.  Her dealing with him will be her coming out party, so to say.  If he dies in TWOW it will be late in the book and the result of Sansa's actions.

Not sure what happens with Aegon.  He will probably have more of an effect in KL than the Vale.

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The South and the road to Kings Landing 

pov: Arianne- 12 chapters. Areo-4 chapters Samwell-5 chapters Obara- 13 chapters Aeron-7 chapters, Jon-3 chapters , Elia- 5 chapters, Sarella- 8 chapters 

1) Aegon marries Elia sand, destabilising the situation with Dorne slightly.

2) Oldtown situation( Sam -3 Chapters)- Intrigue in oldtown about the alchemist.Sam discovers the alchemists secret

3) Battle of Oldtown- Turns out to be a half measure for a greater prize- Highgarden. But still the battle is fierce and the Hightowers destroy  half of euron’s fleet. Sam is killed in the crossfire but not before telling his discovery to sarella.

4) In Dorne, Obara and areo discover darkstar and hunt him down and learn his secret. Areo then returns to water gardens while Obara takes command of the dornish host in the boneway and leads it to join Aegon, Elia and Arianne.

5) The Targaryen Army attacks the reach, with Dorne and their friends in the reach. Reach in chaos due to war between Tyrell faction 

6) Sarella navigates the situation in Oldtown.

7) The war in the reach lasts for half a year or so( the last 3 months coinciding with the three factions war in kings landing) House Tyrell and it’s strength are destroyed.

8) Euron is destroyed in a battle with Aegon.Aeron is killed in that battle.

9) Obara’s Army unites with Aegons army and they march on Kings landing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The North 

pov: Davos-7 chapters, Asha- 15 Chapters , Theon-4 chapters

1) In the immediate prelude to the battle in the ice, Davos returns with Rickon to stannis. Asha bends the knee to stannis and is accepted as lady of iron islands. She decides to remain with Baratheon army.

2)The Battle of Winterfell Part 1- Theon escapes and fights to recover winterfell from the Bolton, he dies in the battle.

3) The Battle of Winterfell Part 2- The Baratheon army wins the battle, but Stannis and Davos are killed.

4)Shireen, Selyse and the remaining baratheon court arrive at Winterfell in aftermath of stannis’s death, without Melisandre, after fleeing the wall.

5)  Rickon and Shireen are married to each other, uniting the two factions. The remaining army then marches south after a period of time recovering in Winterfell.

6) The Baratheon- Stark army marches south on the road to Kings landing, still divided into 3 factions.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

7 years ago

He said it again just this summer:In his blog

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Oh, and there will be new characters as well.   No new viewpoints, I promise you that, but with all these journeys and battles and scheming to come, inevitably our major players will be encountering new people in lands far and near

So who could be the new characters and the far lands?

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On 9/26/2022 at 11:54 AM, Daenerysthegreat said:

The Two Queens

pov: Cersei- 8chapters, Nymeria- 9 chapters, Tyene-  6 chapters (total: 23) 

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The South and the road to Kings Landing 

pov: Arianne- 12 chapters. Areo-4 chapters Samwell-5 chapters Obara- 13 chapters Aeron-7 chapters, Jon-3 chapters , Elia- 5 chapters, Sarella- 8 chapters (total: 57)

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The North 

pov: Davos-7 chapters, Asha- 15 Chapters , Theon-4 chapters (total: 26)

You're currently at 106 chapters, without counting any POVs in the Vale or even having started on Essos. ASoS, the most chapter-heavy of the books so far, is 81 chapters, including the prologue and epilogue. The others range between 69 and 72 chapters (except AFfC, 45 chapters). Needless to say, I think you're a bit off. 

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15 minutes ago, Kyll.Ing. said:

You're currently at 106 chapters, without counting any POVs in the Vale or even having started on Essos. ASoS, the most chapter-heavy of the books so far, is 81 chapters, including the prologue and epilogue. The others range between 69 and 72 chapters (except AFfC, 45 chapters). Needless to say, I think you're a bit off. 

Twow is said to be the largest book in the series. obviously it’s going to have more chapters than the rest of them

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The Second Sack

Pov: Cersei-5 chapters, Asha, Tyene-3 chapters,Nymeria- 2 chapter,Obara- 5 chapters,Elia- 3 chapters, Jon- 3 chapters  , Arianne- 4 chapters, Asha- 2 chapters.

Aegons Army (Approx)- 60000

- 20000 Dornish

- 30000 reach

- 7000-8000 golden company.

Lannister Forces in the Capital- 7000

Tyrell Forces in the capital- 20000

Sparrows- 10000

1) Aegon and his army approaches the capital and storms it. 

2) The sparrows declare Aegon to be a impostor.

3) Cersei decides to make a alliance with Aegon, thanks to the persuasion of Nymeria and Tyene, since she’s now mad and her children are dead. She lets the Targaryen army into the red keep and is betrayed and taken hostage.

4) The sparrows and tyrells decide to surrender, and ring the bells. Jon, commander of Aegons army, goes mad and starts the Second Sack.

5) The second sack begins The population revolt against Aegon, resisting fiercely. Jon connington dies in the chaos. Obara is killed in a three way battle with the remaining Tyrell and Lannister forces at the same spot where her father died.

6) Elia sand dies in childbirth giving birth to a premature dead baby.

7) The Baratheon- Stark army arrives at the capital just a day or two after Aegon and attacks it. In the battle the Targaryen army is defeated.

7) The city, hating Aegon ,welcomes the Baratheon stark army. Aegon, being declared a pretender, is taken captive and executed. Arianne, Nymeria and Tyene, realising that everything is lost and Elia and obara are dead, switch sides and destroy the reach army.

8) Shireen and Rickon are crowned king and queen.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Twow is said to be the largest book in the series. obviously it’s going to have more chapters than the rest of them

But not twice as many, a milestone you're close to reaching already. Your latest batch is an additional +27 chapters, for a subtotal of 133, still with no Daenerys and no count of the Vale chapters. Assuming twenty-something chapters for each of those too, your estimate is up to 170-180 chapters. And that still leaves some plot arcs like Lady Stoneheart, the debacle at the Wall, Bran, and Arya. The book will be longer, sure, but not that much longer.

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Braavos

pov: Girl with no name - 5 chapters

1) The Girl with no name continues her training.

Meereen

Pov: Tyrion-5 Chapters Barristan- 15 chapters, Victarion- 10 chapters

1) The battle for meereen carries on. Barristan leads the army outside gates into open battle with the slavers. 
2) Tyrion and the second sons are put in the Center of the fighting. Tyrion tells the thing about Aegon to Jorah Mormont

3) The iron born arrive and engage in battle with the volantene and slaver fleets.

4)The Dragons are unleashed by the horn.They turn wild and start killing everyone, friend or foe. 
5) Tyrion is killed by dragonfire.

6) The freedmen and Barristan and victarion win the battle. Intrigue between Barristan and victarion, with the red priest doing his thing. Jorah died after being fatally wounded, telling about Aegon to Barristan.

7) Daenerys Returns

 

 

 

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Beyond the wall

pov : Melisandre- 10 chapters, Bran - 10 chapters

1) Mel flees to the north of the wall after Jon snow’s assassination, securing a way for Shireen and the remaining Baratheon court to go to Winterfell.

2) Bran continues his training

3) Mel discovers the secret of the others, going far north, into the lands of always winter.

Stoneheart

pov: Jaime- 5 chapters, Brienne- 13 chapters 

1) The arc starts with jaime appearing suddenly at riverunn. He leds the brotherhood inside

2) Red wedding 2.0, freys are massacred. Jaime is hanged in the godswood in the aftermath.

3) Brienne faces immense guilt for turning Jaime over, but stays with stoneheart( Reason- we need a pov around stoneheart)

4) Stoneheart captures a large section of the riverlands and sends a army to devastate the westerlands. She doesn’t regain any sanity even after learning that Rickon is alive and is now king along with shireen.

5) The Baratheon stark army doesn’t pass through the route occupied by the brotherhood on their way to kings landing since those lands have a reputation for chaos.

6) Stoneheart gathers a army and marches to kings landing in order to aid rickon. They arrive in immediate aftermath of the disaster, after Rickon and shireen have been proclaimed king and queen.


 

 

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4 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

7 Sansa Chapters (+7)

Braavos

pov: Girl with no name - 5 chapters (+5)

Meereen

Pov: Tyrion-5 Chapters Barristan- 15 chapters, Victarion- 10 chapters (+25)

Beyond the wall

pov : Melisandre- 10 chapters, Bran - 10 chapters (+20)

Stoneheart

pov: Jaime- 5 chapters, Brienne- 13 chapters  (+18)

So no Daenerys POV yet (and no Jon Snow, but he might lack a POV considering his, er, condition), and you're already at 208 chapters. The book with the most chapters in the series so far had 81. Can't you see that this is a little over-the-top?

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I think Jon Connington will have a psychotic episode triggered by bells but I don't think Aegon will marry Elia and I don't think Margaery will be found guilty at her trial. The Faith said the evidence against her was weak and there is also a huge army backing her up. I also think that from a thematic standpoint Nymeria, Tyene and Obara will have to pay for their desire to harm innocents.

There was also a theory someone else had that I liked, Obara, Areo Hotah and Balon Swann would go to hunt down Darkstar for his attack on Myrcella and supposed attack on Ser Arys, Hotah would have secret orders to kill Balon, but then Darkstar and Balon would end up teaming up on Obara and Hotah after Darkstar revealed that Hotah killed Arys and was ordered to kill him.

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13 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

He said there would be no new characters who are new viewpoints, like areo and Arianne and victarion were new characters with viewpoints.

He said no new viewpoint characters.  To me, that means no new POVs, existing characters or not.  He has 20 already, so there isn't much room for more.

13 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Twow is said to be the largest book in the series. obviously it’s going to have more chapters than the rest of them

You are already up to 208 chapters.  That's more than ASOS, AFFC, and ADWD combined.  We're not getting TWOW in 3 volumes.  Even if two volumes, which GRRM wants to avoid, I doubt it would be much over 100.  120 would be the outer maximum, but I have a hard time seeing even that.

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The Wall:  Jon survives his injuries, but is comatose for a while.  There is fighting, but Jon's loyalists carry the day, with help from wildlings and Queen's men.  The Others attack, but do not immediately breach the Wall.

Far North:  Davos picks up Rickon in Skagos, but eventually ends up at Hardhome.  Things go badly, and he winds up going North.  Benjen reappears, having something to do with the Others (spying or negotiating).  Rickon is still north of the Wall at the end of TWOW.   Bran gets training in the cave, but ultimately he (or Meera) discovers disturbing things about his hosts, and he decides to flee via the underground river, which empties near the Shadow Tower.  He makes his way toward Winterfell.

The North:  Stannis wins the Battle of Winterfell with help from the turncloak Karstarks.  Roose dies, Ramsay flees to the Dreadfort, and holes up there.  The Others break through, but progress is slow.  Sansa shows up to help the Northerners, and Arya eventually arrives with the wolfpack.  Eventually, a big meeting is held at Winterfell to organize the resistance to the Others.

Riverlands:  Jaime is taken to Stoneheart.  Convinces her to let him arrange the release of the Frey prisoners.  The release is successful, but the Freys realize they have been tricked, and Jaime is killed in the subsequent fight.  Fighting resumes between Lannister troops and Brotherhood.  Brienne remains, and meets up with Arya, who has arrived from Braavos.  They broker a truce.

Arya:  She continues training but is on thin ice with the FM.  Jeyne Poole's arrival causes her to resume her identity as Arya Stark and head to Riverlands, where she hopes to meet up with Gendry and the rest of the Brotherhood, as well as her wolf.  After arranging for an end to fighting in the Riverlands, they head North to help in the fight against the Others.

That's all for now.   If half of this actually happens, I will be shocked.

ETA: I dealt with the Vale and Kings Landing in an earlier post.  Meereen and Oldtown I'm not sure of.

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13 hours ago, Nevets said:

He said no new viewpoint characters.  To me, that means no new POVs, existing characters or not.  He has 20 already, so there isn't much room for more.

It’s matter of interpretation.

13 hours ago, Nevets said:

You are already up to 208 chapters.  That's more than ASOS, AFFC, and ADWD combined. 

Not my fault the story left is big. It will take at least a decade to narrow it down, which is what’s currently happening.

 

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Daenerys- Total chapters- 17

1) She seizes khal jhaqo’s Khalsar and decides to go to Vaes Dothrak

2) Khal Pono’s enlarged khalsar arrives there

3) She seizes khal pono’s khalsar and marches back to meereen. 
4) She rejects the alliance with Victarion, he angered leaves with the iron fleet. He goes to Valyria, his last chapter in the book is there.
5) She goes to Volantis and frees up slaves there, the slavers of volantis are murdered to the last baby.

6) She holds court in volantis for some time before deciding to leave for asshai on moqorro’s advice

7) The book ends with dany arriving in asshai.

 I can’t say anything about the chapter lengths and all but the end result might be the same

1) Aegon, Jaime, Theon, Davos, Tyrion, Sam, Myrcella, tommen dead

2) Rickon and Shireen are crowned King and Queen 

3) Dany ‘s last chapter in asshai

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