Zorral Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 He forgot to mention that previous to those events, Johnny also lost the Angevin Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fez Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Spockydog said: In 1997 the election result was Labour 43%, Tories 31%, Lib Dems 17% and Labour got 418 seats, Tories 165 seats, and Lib Dems 46 seats. If the results from that poll hold up through the next election, is there even a Conservative party anymore? How many seats would they have? Less than 100? Does Labour break 500 seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Are those kinds of numbers basically unprecedented in the UK? In Trump's very worst polls (right around the failure to repeal the health care bill) he was polling at ~30% approval, and the "generic ballot" of Republicans vs Democrats was never a 30 point spread, even on outlier polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denvek Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fez said: In 1997 the election result was Labour 43%, Tories 31%, Lib Dems 17% and Labour got 418 seats, Tories 165 seats, and Lib Dems 46 seats. If the results from that poll hold up through the next election, is there even a Conservative party anymore? How many seats would they have? Less than 100? Does Labour break 500 seats? Less than 100 - yes. Over 500 - not quite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pebble thats Stubby Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 52 minutes ago, Denvek said: Less than 100 - yes. Over 500 - not quite what is depressing about that, I live in one of the Blue Bits...... wankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Pebble thats Stubby said: what is depressing about that, I live in one of the Blue Bits...... wankers. I can't imagine your level of suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I imagine there'll be projections that have a few seats either way, but at the end of the day the precise details are almost irrelevant coz that's a party-extinction event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, polishgenius said: I imagine there'll be projections that have a few seats either way, but at the end of the day the precise details are almost irrelevant coz that's a party-extinction event. It certainly would give at least 2 election cycles to turn the titanic back around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Denvek said: Less than 100 - yes. Over 500 - not quite My only issue with that map is I doubt the SNP will ever lose the Western Isles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: It certainly would give at least 2 election cycles to turn the titanic back around. Depends on who retains their seat and becomes party leader. JRM or one of those clowns. Then it might take a good while longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 If Labour were guaranteed a win, they should stand down everywhere that they can't win, and give the lib dems a free run at those seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 They should do this regardless. This incarnation of the Tory has to be wiped out electorally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Maithanet said: Are those kinds of numbers basically unprecedented in the UK? In Trump's very worst polls (right around the failure to repeal the health care bill) he was polling at ~30% approval, and the "generic ballot" of Republicans vs Democrats was never a 30 point spread, even on outlier polls. Theresa May's Tories polled as low as 17% during mid-2019 in the middle of their Brexit meltdown, although Labour weren't polling much better at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Pebble thats Stubby said: what is depressing about that, I live in one of the Blue Bits...... wankers. Me too 2 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Depends on who retains their seat and becomes party leader. JRM or one of those clowns. Then it might take a good while longer. Isn't BANES yellow there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 One thing that poll ensures is that there will not be a back bench revolt and the Tories will see out this term. Too many noses will be yanked out of the trough for any Tory to be willing to pull the trigger on forcing an election any earlier than absolutely necessary. The question is how long Truss lasts. The sooner they are rid of her the sooner they can try to get another PM and chancellor to try to get the con back on track and regain enough support to at least be a substantial opposition (I guess meaning having a lot more MPs than the combined total of all other opposition parties). 2 years is still a long time, and it may be long enough to start being able to con the electorate again, and to make it harder for poor people to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: The sooner they are rid of her the sooner they can try to get another PM and chancellor to try to get the con back on track I wonder if this would even help at this juncture. If they’re rapidly ousting pms it can appear as if they don’t have competent candidates to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said: 2 years is still a long time, and it may be long enough to start being able to con the electorate again, and to make it harder for poor people to vote. Also yes and plenty of time to lean into nonsense culture war issues to distract from their incompetence, corruption, and cruelty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: I wonder if this would even help at this juncture. If they’re rapidly ousting pms it can appear as if they don’t have competent candidates to offer. appear as if? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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