Lord Varys Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 5 hours ago, The hairy bear said: There must be a point where there relationship is too distant for the trick to work, isn't there? An ancestor from 10 generations ago give you less than 1 per thousand of "Targaryen blood". It's also a commonly held assumption that the dragonlords practiced polygamy in order to keep their bloodlines pure and thus falicitating the bond with their dragons. That wouldn't make sense if having any single Targ ancestor could be enough. I guess you mean incest up there, not polygamy? One can tentatively go with the assumption that the dragonseed dragonriders have multiple dragonseeds among their ancestors, strengthening the blood of the dragon they have. George does go with the idea that the early Targaryens spread their semen rather freely among the smallfolk of the island, and we don't actually know how large the original population of Dragonstone and Driftmark was, nor how much dragonlord blood the slaves and servants the Targaryens and Velaryons brought with them from Valyria were. I mean, one imagines the dragonlords also had plenty of body and sex slaves whose offspring inherited the blood of the dragon even if they would never be allowed to actually mount a dragon (or be severely punished if they did). 5 hours ago, The hairy bear said: Why do you think so? I've always believed that Ulf and Hugh should have a relatively close relationship with the main Targ branch. They are both pale-haired (a trait that many 50% Targ children didn't inherit). I don't see why they couldn't be first-generation seeds (why couldn't one of them could be the son of, let's say Baelon) or second-generation (for example from Corwyn, Jorgen or Victor Velaryon). We can guesstimate that Hugh and Ulf are both in their thirties by the time of the Dance - grown men. Hugh is a powerfully built specimen already, and Ulf a man-at-arms. That would allow either or both of them to have been sired by Baelon the Brave in his last years on Dragonstone, before he was made Hand. Now, Hugh is allegedly a blacksmith's bastard, so possibly not the unacknowledged bastard of a Targaryen prince ... but we don't know on who Hugh's father fathered the bastard on. That could easily be an unacknowledged bastard daughter of Prince Aemon. Baelon was a widower for long years, but he would have been discreet with his affairs on Dragonstone while Alysanne lived on the island, one imagines. And Aemon, too, considering his wife was still alive and with him. Both that could easily explain that they fathered children who they never acknowledged. In context it would make sense to have both Hugh and Ulf as close descendants of Jaehaerys and Alysanne considering that they claimed their respective dragons. Regarding Nettles - the book could even have Nettles' mother as Daemon's paramour on the Stepstones who he then abandoned on a whim after he learned of Rhea's death, never returning or thinking about her after chance allowed him to marry Laena Velaryon. For the show, I think, they could have Nettles' mother as a woman Laena and Daemon chanced upon on Driftmark, included in their travelling circles only for it to end up badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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