butterweedstrover Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Hot D is better in some ways, but worse in others. The lessons they’ve learned from the backlash they learned all too well. One problem from GOT was the underlying sexism behind turning a female icon (Daenerys) into a psycho. So instead they turned on the hero-worship for Rhaenyra (her replacement) just so everyone knows she’s the good guy to the point where her emotional stability undermines her relationships in the story. Another criticism of GOT was lore, or the lack thereof. GOT in it’s later period began to ignore a lot of the lesser houses and world building from the books. Hot D is very much dedicated to capturing every minor character, but that has also led to insignificant background characters taking pivotal roles without much time for development and the insertion of historical prophecies unrelated to the main plot being used as primary motivation for the characters. Honestly, it’s proof why hardcore book fans shouldn’t be in charge of adaptions as they are too dedicated to the source material, even the unnecessary parts. Ryan Condal is like someone from here taking charge of ASOIAF material and it just didn’t work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, butterweedstrover said: Honestly, it’s proof why hardcore book fans shouldn’t be in charge of adaptions as they are too dedicated to the source material, even the unnecessary parts. Ryan Condal is like someone from here taking charge of ASOIAF material and it just didn’t work. Give me someone who is too dedicated over someone who doesn't really care about the source material any day. Plus, from what I've read and seen, most of the things that didn't work came from Sapochnik. Edited December 10, 2022 by Takiedevushkikakzvezdy teej6 and Crixus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: Give me someone who is too dedicated over someone who doesn't really care about the source material any day. Plus, from what I've read and seen, most of the things that didn't work came from Sapochnik. It’s about balance. I agree about Sapochnik though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 How funny is this? Aelwen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 12/10/2022 at 10:48 AM, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: Unpopular opinion, but I do have a soft spot for Season 6 and consider the finale to be a great episode of television. I think most show fans agree with you. It’s really just us book snobs who don’t like S6 lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/11/2022 at 6:19 PM, The Bard of Banefort said: I think most show fans agree with you. It’s really just us book snobs who don’t like S6 lol. Ummm I remember hearing a lot of criticism about bits and pieces of season 6. Particularly the first half of the season And then there is the infamous Arya/Waif chase scene in the eighth episode. Who can forget how annoyed people were at that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 LOL, I've honestly forgotten which season season 6 was and what happened there. It is all a blur in my mind. (Don't change that by telling me in detail what happened in what season.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 hours ago, BlackLightning said: Ummm I remember hearing a lot of criticism about bits and pieces of season 6. Particularly the first half of the season And then there is the infamous Arya/Waif chase scene in the eighth episode. Who can forget how annoyed people were at that? I think that for a lot of people, Battle of the Bastards + Cersei blowing up the sept wiped out the rest of the season from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 23 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I think that for a lot of people, Battle of the Bastards + Cersei blowing up the sept wiped out the rest of the season from memory. Again, also hold the door. But while I generally agree with this, there also was quite a bit of criticism for certain aspects of the Battle (e.g. Rickon's fly route, Jon's stupidity) - and not just from book fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crixus Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 10 hours ago, DMC said: Again, also hold the door. But while I generally agree with this, there also was quite a bit of criticism for certain aspects of the Battle (e.g. Rickon's fly route, Jon's stupidity) - and not just from book fans. Rickon's fly route had to be the most ludicrous thing I've seen in decades. Also, Sansa's inexplicable hiding info about LF till the last minute. Perhaps for maximum dramatic effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 11:28 PM, The Bard of Banefort said: I think that for a lot of people, Battle of the Bastards + Cersei blowing up the sept wiped out the rest of the season from memory. Also, seeing Dany with the Dothraki again was quite cool, especially since we know that this will happen in the books as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 I’m dropping in to say that I just finished reading The Kingmaker’s Daughter by Philippa Gregory, and it contained a childbirth scene that was more viscerally horrifying than all of the childbirth scenes from S1 combined. Ryan and Miguel would be so jealous. (The rest of the book was pretty meh, but that one scene was undeniably memorable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Strikes Back Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 @The Bard of Banefort What made the scene so horrific? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 23 hours ago, The Grey Wolf Strikes Back said: @The Bard of Banefort What made the scene so horrific? The book is about Anne Neville (Richard III’s wife) and the scene in question is when her older sister, who is just a teenager, goes into labor early during a terrible storm at sea. There’s no midwife, and the baby is breech, so Anne and her mother have to deliver the baby themselves, and it’s a mix of gruesome body horror and genuine fear that the mother and baby will die, and that they may all die at sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: The book is about Anne Neville (Richard III’s wife) and the scene in question is when her older sister, who is just a teenager, goes into labor early during a terrible storm at sea. Coincidentally mirroring Rhaella giving birth to Dany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: Coincidentally mirroring Rhaella giving birth to Dany. Kind of, but Rhaella was at least on land. This happened on a ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Strikes Back Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 4 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said: The book is about Anne Neville (Richard III’s wife) and the scene in question is when her older sister, who is just a teenager, goes into labor early during a terrible storm at sea. There’s no midwife, and the baby is breech, so Anne and her mother have to deliver the baby themselves, and it’s a mix of gruesome body horror and genuine fear that the mother and baby will die, and that they may all die at sea. Sheesh. Talk about dramatic license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 11:22 PM, The Grey Wolf Strikes Back said: Sheesh. Talk about dramatic license. Philippa Gregory is a very frustrating author. I’m working my way through her Tudor and Plantagenet series right now, and she’s an extremely talented writer and storyteller (I believe GRRM said that he’s a fan of hers), but she makes a lot of maddening narrative decisions. For one, she almost always goes with the most sensationalistic version of everything (ex. Perkin Warbeck is real, William Cecil has Mary of Guise and Amy Dudley murdered, Elizabeth Woodeville and her mother really are witches, albeit in a girlboss/divine feminine way), and like another author we love, seems to have a thing for writing about incest (Anne Boleyn has sex with her brother to conceive a child, Elizabeth of York has an affair with her uncle, Richard III). I would still recommend reading a few of her books (The Other Boleyn Girl, The Boleyn Inheritance, etc.) but it’s actually quite disappointing that someone who is clearly very talented so often settles for the soap opera route. Crixus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Strikes Back Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 1:49 PM, The Bard of Banefort said: Philippa Gregory is a very frustrating author. I’m working my way through her Tudor and Plantagenet series right now, and she’s an extremely talented writer and storyteller (I believe GRRM said that he’s a fan of hers), but she makes a lot of maddening narrative decisions. For one, she almost always goes with the most sensationalistic version of everything (ex. Perkin Warbeck is real, William Cecil has Mary of Guise and Amy Dudley murdered, Elizabeth Woodeville and her mother really are witches, albeit in a girlboss/divine feminine way), and like another author we love, seems to have a thing for writing about incest (Anne Boleyn has sex with her brother to conceive a child, Elizabeth of York has an affair with her uncle, Richard III). I would still recommend reading a few of her books (The Other Boleyn Girl, The Boleyn Inheritance, etc.) but it’s actually quite disappointing that someone who is clearly very talented so often settles for the soap opera route. This is why I generally avoid pop history, which also happens to be the source of many issues I have with GRRM's worldbuilding. Also, for the record, no noblewoman, much less a pregnant noblewoman, would travel without an army of midwives and attendants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/16/2023 at 8:49 PM, The Bard of Banefort said: Philippa Gregory is a very frustrating author. I’m working my way through her Tudor and Plantagenet series right now, and she’s an extremely talented writer and storyteller (I believe GRRM said that he’s a fan of hers), but she makes a lot of maddening narrative decisions. For one, she almost always goes with the most sensationalistic version of everything (ex. Perkin Warbeck is real, William Cecil has Mary of Guise and Amy Dudley murdered, Elizabeth Woodeville and her mother really are witches, albeit in a girlboss/divine feminine way), and like another author we love, seems to have a thing for writing about incest (Anne Boleyn has sex with her brother to conceive a child, Elizabeth of York has an affair with her uncle, Richard III). I would still recommend reading a few of her books (The Other Boleyn Girl, The Boleyn Inheritance, etc.) but it’s actually quite disappointing that someone who is clearly very talented so often settles for the soap opera route. I've never read any of her works but watched the first season based on her works. Not really a fan. Don't think the 'incest' between Richard III and Elizabeth of York is that construed. One doesn't have believe in a passionate affair there ... although that might not be completely off the table, either, considering how, well, badly Henry VII treated Elizabeth in their later marriage. But a calculated consideration to solidify Richard's hold on the throne by ways of marrying his brother's eldest child might have been on the table only to fall through because started to believe Richard had his first wife murdered. These people had little to no issue with avuncular marriages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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