Rondo Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Dany will be successful in putting Westeros back together. That can only happen if she defeats enough of the bad guys to make the others see the wisdom of surrendering. She has the military power to get it done. By the way, she is not crossing the Narrow Sea just to bring in Dothraki and Unsullied. She will be bringing a large force to Westeros. She just needs to win two convincing battles and the lords will rally to her banner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, Rondo said: Dany will be successful in putting Westeros back together. That can only happen if she defeats enough of the bad guys to make the others see the wisdom of surrendering. She has the military power to get it done. By the way, she is not crossing the Narrow Sea just to bring in Dothraki and Unsullied. She will be bringing a large force to Westeros. She just needs to win two convincing battles and the lords will rally to her banner. And right now Daenerys is spewing out green bile and pooping out liquid. Plus, how is she going to get more soldiers? Would she have the heart to make more Unsullied? How well can she control her dragons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Buster Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Economy supports the military. Westeros is not going to be able to fund wars because their economy suck after the disastrous reigns of Robert, Joff, and Tommen. Basic things like clothing will be hard to replace. Weapons will be hard to purchase. Daenerys Targaryen will not go to Westeros with an inadequate military. She will bring a large force to back up her right to rule. Volantis will be taken by the slaves and they will open the city's treasury to help put Daenerys on the throne of Westeros. She will have allies on both sides of the ocean. And if Qohoro Mo is any indication, there are a lot of good will towards the Targaryen in the southern islands. Daenerys will bring enough people and equipment to defeat every disloyal lord in the south and still have enough to beat the Northmen and their pet wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 6 hours ago, Ring3r said: Honestly, I had no idea there was this faction of anti-Jon fans until I came here. I too was surprised about the strong dislike many had for 'Snowhead', especially since I believed he was supposed to be a sympathetic character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 4 hours ago, The Gizzard of Oz said: It's the quality of the training that gives her Unsullied the greatest advantage over any other army in Westeros. A decade of training and hardening made the Unsullied what they are. It's all well and good that they have this training. The issue is it's in bronze age weapons and bronze age tactics and they're going up against the equivalent of a late mediaeval army. 4 hours ago, The Gizzard of Oz said: Westeros will be taken by force if the lords decide to be stubborn about it and you know some will be. Why shouldn't they be stubborn? If someone started invading my home just because they claimed they were the 'rightful king/queen' I wouldn't be too happy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 15 hours ago, SeanF said: Most fantasy writers do. Tolkien was one who didn’t, due to his military background. I guess with Martin, his emphasis on realism in his storytelling makes it more obvious when it's ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 12 hours ago, Rondo said: Dany will be successful in putting Westeros back together. That can only happen if she defeats enough of the bad guys to make the others see the wisdom of surrendering. She has the military power to get it done. By the way, she is not crossing the Narrow Sea just to bring in Dothraki and Unsullied. She will be bringing a large force to Westeros. She just needs to win two convincing battles and the lords will rally to her banner. Does she? The mereen chapters seem to indicate shes not a great ruler at all. The insurrection she pretty much stoked and armed (gladiators out of work are clearly what mereens nobles are striking with) , the weak goverment she left as astopor and then abandoned, the removal of slavery without enforcing the obvious replacement for it (ie pay your former slaves) and of course her marriage, unsuitable lover and lazyness with regards to finding out more old lore about her dragons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 15 hours ago, astarkchoice said: Does she? The mereen chapters seem to indicate shes not a great ruler at all. The insurrection she pretty much stoked and armed (gladiators out of work are clearly what mereens nobles are striking with) , the weak goverment she left as astopor and then abandoned, the removal of slavery without enforcing the obvious replacement for it (ie pay your former slaves) and of course her marriage, unsuitable lover and lazyness with regards to finding out more old lore about her dragons! I think the harpies are unhappy free Meereenese, not pit fighters. They’re assassins and torturers, rather than gladiators. The ex-slaves are indeed paid, but wages are low. Some of them have prospered, like Rilona Ree and the weavers, and are of course, targets for the Harpies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley McLeod Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Economics is more of an issue for the Westeros side. The Dragon Team will have support from Volantis, after the slaves defeat their masters. Daenerys has all the manpower that Essos has to offer. The Ironborn and the city of Braavos will provide ships to carry her armies to Westeros. Those same ships can carry whatever the armies need from Essos to Westeros. Westeros is tired and spent. The war of the five kings have taken its toll on the people, the land, and the economy. The broken kingdom cannot fight a large invading force. The Dragon Team wins this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Finley McLeod said: Daenerys has all the manpower that Essos has to offer. She won't unless she someone manages to conquer Yi Ti, all the mystical sounding cities, Ib, etc. which I really doubt will happen. 2 minutes ago, Finley McLeod said: Westeros is tired and spent. The war of the five kings have taken its toll on the people, the land, and the economy. The broken kingdom cannot fight a large invading force. The Dragon Team wins this war. I do not think Daenerys can win without at least some Westerosi allies. Westeros is tired and mostly spent, but nothing will rekindle the fighting spirit like a large invading army composed of foreigners with foreign culture and religion, fighting on behalf of a queen who is rumored to be Danelle Lothson 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 12 hours ago, SeanF said: I think the harpies are unhappy free Meereenese, not pit fighters. They’re assassins and torturers, rather than gladiators. The ex-slaves are indeed paid, but wages are low. Some of them have prospered, like Rilona Ree and the weavers, and are of course, targets for the Harpies. Id say the out of work pit fighters are the muscle for the rebellion. The economy needs to be shifted to wages for all ex slave work..dany seemed mystified how to reslove the issue of the slave ex tutor now a beggar ...get the rich parents to pay you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: Id say the out of work pit fighters are the muscle for the rebellion. The economy needs to be shifted to wages for all ex slave work..dany seemed mystified how to reslove the issue of the slave ex tutor now a beggar ...get the rich parents to pay you ! The slave ex-tutor is show-only, and I do think Ding & Dong had an agenda, about the well-intentioned folly of freeing slaves. The problem with pit-fighting is that it is absolutely lethal. Sure, you get to drink red wine and eat meet, until a boar is rooting through your guts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/14/2022 at 6:17 PM, Angel Eyes said: Neither will the food supplied by Essos. That food can be replenished. The supply of food inside the castles are finite. The brave men of Westeros will be eating rat fillets and boiled shoe leather. There will be riots and fighting as the lord’s family tries to protect the food from the commoners who make up the majority. Strong Belwas will indeed be wiping his back side with the banners of the Baratheons and the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Darth Sidious said: The brave men of Westeros will be eating rat fillets and boiled shoe leather. Not for a long time if their castles are well provisioned. 3 hours ago, Darth Sidious said: Strong Belwas will indeed be wiping his back side with the banners of the Baratheons and the Starks. That's how to insult all the nobles who are supposed to be doing you homage. Actions like that and people will never be happy with Daenerys' rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Craving Peaches said: That's how to insult all the nobles who are supposed to be doing you homage. Actions like that and people will never be happy with Daenerys' rule. Well, I guess the idea by that point is, to quote a certain show, "They don't get to choose." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Daenerys' forces doubtlessly are going to face huge logistics and approvisionnement problems in Westeros, especially with winter being here and their supplies from departing Essos being limited and mostly consummed after the long travel to Westeros. It might be partially resolved by Daenerys getting the allegiance of Willas and Garlan Tyrell and thus getting access to Reach foods and other supplies, but the Dothraki are most certainely aren't going to abandon their old reaving and pillaging habits and do lots of it, which won't help Daenerys' popularity with the smallfolks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 15 hours ago, SeanF said: The slave ex-tutor is show-only, and I do think Ding & Dong had an agenda, about the well-intentioned folly of freeing slaves. The problem with pit-fighting is that it is absolutely lethal. Sure, you get to drink red wine and eat meet, until a boar is rooting through your guts. No its book too Yes true but they volunteer for it andnlove it,taking it away from them put them in the rebellions corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: No its book too Yes true but they volunteer for it andnlove it,taking it away from them put them in the rebellions corner I'm happy to stand corrected if you can give a citation, regarding the tutor. Prior to the closure of the fighting pits, there may have been those who made a reasonable living. There were also those who were just sent there to die, for example, dwarves being fed to wild animals. The problem with allowing people to volunteer to fight is that almost certainly, some people will be forced into it. We can see that Hizdahr and Co. broke their promises to Dany, by putting Tyrion and Dany into the Pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Angel Eyes said: Well, I guess the idea by that point is, to quote a certain show, "They don't get to choose." They can choose to die rather than surrender to the barbarian hordes though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Qohor Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 This is a really interesting topic. Daenerys' side definitely has the advantage but there are plenty of instances in history where a rich country has failed to win against a poor country. The Westerosi have the home ground advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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