Craving Peaches Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 14 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said: Jon's mess at the wall. Snowhead had a good thing going until pomegranate face ruined it for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Arya is Alia of the Knife, she isn't exactly stable. She's not tip top mentally but I don't think she's deranged. As long as no spice is involved, Arya will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Let's hope she doesn't encounter an Other so she won't have Other Memories I must say I am worried about the influence of the Tleilaxu Face Dancers Faceless Men on Arya though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Peres Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 The kids are victms. Robb, Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon were all pushed into a mess they did not created. Robb was the one with the most agency of all the siblings but he got stucked into a unwinable situation that was imposible to predict. Ned and Catelyn doomed their family. Ned choosing to show mercy to a monster, and Catelyn pretty much started the mess on a panic decision by kidnaping Tyrion and later on seal their fate by betraying her son in another emotional panic by freeing Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 45 minutes ago, Arthur Peres said: The kids are victms. Robb, Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon were all pushed into a mess they did not created. Robb was the one with the most agency of all the siblings but he got stucked into a unwinable situation that was imposible to predict. Ned and Catelyn doomed their family. Ned choosing to show mercy to a monster, and Catelyn pretty much started the mess on a panic decision by kidnaping Tyrion and later on seal their fate by betraying her son in another emotional panic by freeing Jaime. Yea, Ned and Cat sort of screwed over their family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, sifth said: Yea, Ned and Cat sort of screwed over their family. With a sizeable assist from Littlefinger. And Cersei. And Lysa. And Theon. The list goes on. GRRM being most to blame by stacking the deck against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aline de Gavrillac Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Rickon and Bran are victims. The Direwolves are victims of the Stark's character defects. Lady died because Sansa was selfish. Greywind died because Robb had no honor. Ghost may die because Jon is a traitor. The rest of them are somewhat deserving of suffering. Jon and Arya made their choice. The consequences are biting them in the bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said: Let's hope she doesn't encounter an Other so she won't have Other Memories Mass extinction event will follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Aline de Gavrillac said: Ghost may die because Jon is a traitor. Who did Jon betray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 The parents were only partly to blame. They left the safety and isolation of the north for the big city to play at politics and some social climbing. But Sansa, Robb, and Arya later made bad decisions. Sansa basically lied to cover for her boyfriend, Joffrey. Arya made the choice to become an obsessive murderer. Arya has so far gotten away with it but her murdering will catch up with her. Jon broke the rules at the watch and got himself assassinated by his own men. It is not fair to place all the blame on the parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Ygritte's memory. I see him eyeing Val as if he wants to make him a lady wife. Well, Lady commander wife since he's not a lord but a lord cpmmander. Maybe, but she turned out to be a cold hearted murderess, so I wasn't really mourning her. I was sad for Jon though when she died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Yeah, neither did I and I didn't like her in the first place either. She literally coerces him into having sexual relations with her and this doesn't just come from a modern perspective either, even by medieval standards and in universe she abused Jon. It may seem like she saved his skin when she told Mance what she told, but she had more on her mind than returning Jon the favor of sparing her life. Also, was Jon really in a position to refuse? He was ordered to do whatever it took to integrate himself with the Wildlings. Ygritte may have been taking advantage of him unknowingly. What annoys me is that she goes on about how Jon 'knows nothing' but then proves that she knows nothing when she thinks some random run-down tower is a proper castle. Hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ring3r Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 The modern ones...yes, I'd definitely consider them victims. Ned, Sansa, Arya, Cat, Bran and Rickon have all been intentionally and specifically targeted by their enemies, and while they've made mis-steps in reacting to that, they're definitely victims. The ancient ones...no. If anything, they seem to have been the opposite. Everything in ASoIaF is grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gizzard of Oz Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 The Starks reap what they sow. Break your oath and somebody gets pissed enough to make you pay. Robb and Jon betrayed the people they were leading and karma bit them back. I call that fair. Arya is a brutal killer and if would only be fair if somebody kills her. Calling them victims is not appropriate though. It's more like nature balancing. They do wrong and they are made to pay. Cat put the lives of her father's small folk in danger just to learn who tried to kill one son. She was selfish and forgot her duty to protect the small folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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