Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 29 minutes ago, Zorral said: Even the blob media is beginning to use terminology such as "Global Authoritarianism", "Global Anti-Democratic Movement", etc. And Scott -- for all your concerns about Lula and Putin, you should be far more concerned about the Putin-tRump-Bolsonaro axis, which isn't even attempted to be hidden. Surely deSantis is part of that, if one judges by both action and pronouncement. Not to mention Steve Bannon and his many ilks. I’m well aware of the Putin’s fan boys. Lula’s tankie predilections don’t endear me to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I’m well aware of the Putin’s fan boys. Lula’s tankie predilections don’t endear me to him. I'm chuckling at the notion that a leftist leader of a South American country should look to Washington rather than Moscow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippounet Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Zorral said: And Scott -- for all your concerns about Lula and Putin, you should be far more concerned about the Putin-tRump-Bolsonaro axis, which isn't even attempted to be hidden. Surely deSantis is part of that, if one judges by both action and pronouncement. Not to mention Steve Bannon and his many ilks. Ah, but you see, reluctance to pick a side is far more dangerous than actually siding with the baddies. Righteousness is so fragile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The intergoogles say Brazil has Bull, Tiger and Hammerhead sharks. Get moving already. Chomp chomp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I’m well aware of the Putin’s fan boys. Lula’s tankie predilections don’t endear me to him. Let's say your analysis is inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, Spockydog said: I'm chuckling at the notion that a leftist leader of a South American country should look to Washington rather than Moscow. Moscow is broke. And news alert, Russia isn't leftist and hasn't been for decades. Or do you think Xi's China is still leftist too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said: Russia isn't leftist and hasn't been for decades. And America is? I suppose the difference for Brazilians, and many other South Americans, is that Russia is far less likely to invade you and steal your natural resources. Or send in the CIA to destabilize and overthrow your government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, Spockydog said: And America is? I suppose the difference for Brazilians, and many other South Americans, is that Russia is far less likely to invade you and steal your natural resources. Or send in the CIA to destabilize and overthrow your government. Sorta? Having lived there, I would think the US would be far more appealing than Russia in general and especially especially now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said: Having lived there, I would think the US would be far more appealing than Russia in general and especially especially now. Talking about managing expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Sorta? Having lived there, I would think the US would be far more appealing than Russia in general and especially especially now. Like Wagner Group does in Africa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Talking about managing expectations. I mean all the same, would you like to go to New York or Moscow? Not a hard choice, really. 12 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Like Wagner Group does in Africa? Sorry, don't get the reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: I mean all the same, would you like to go to New York or Moscow? Not a hard choice, really. Well, if I lived in, say, Venezuela, it would be less about whether I'd prefer to go to the US or Russia. And more about the chances of the US or Russia coming to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padraig Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 46 minutes ago, Spockydog said: I suppose the difference for Brazilians, and many other South Americans, is that Russia is far less likely to invade you and steal your natural resources. Rippounet is correct that we shouldn't reduce everything to a binary. Brazil doesn't need to "look to" anyone. At the same time, given ties between Bolsonaro and Putin, Lula probably has adapted his views regarding Russia accordingly. That doesn't mean Brazil now has to be blindly allegiant to the US. And if Trump was still in power in the US, that would effect things also. There certainly are some problems in South America with transition of power (Venezuela, Brazil, Peru). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Spockydog said: Well, if I lived in, say, Venezuela, it would be less about whether I'd prefer to go to the US or Russia. And more about the chances of the US or Russia coming to me. When I tried to do a summer abroad in Venezuela I couldn't because Chavez was coming to the college town I was hoping to live in. He liked to cut the water off for fun to terrorize the students. Perspective. There is not a rationale person that would rather live in Moscow over New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: When I tried to do a summer abroad in Venezuela I couldn't because Chavez was coming to the college town I was hoping to live in. He liked to cut the water off for fun to terrorize the students. Perspective. There is not a rationale person that would rather live in Moscow over New York. You keep missing my point. This has nothing to do with where you'd like to go on holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Spockydog said: You keep missing my point. This has nothing to do with where you'd like to go on holidays. Right. Would you like living in Moscow for the next ten years over living in New York? Would you like the leader of your country to be Vladimir Putin or Joe Biden? Would you like to live in a repressive authoritarian country or a flawed democracy? Again, this isn't hard, and if you want the former, good luck with that considering you're someone who likes to buck social norms. I'm sure Vlad will be super cool with you growing weed. Oh, wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Spockydog said: I'm chuckling at the notion that a leftist leader of a South American country should look to Washington rather than Moscow. It's not the Cold War anymore, and Russia is not "leftist" in any meaningful way. US with a Democratic administration is far more leftist than Putin's Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: I mean all the same, would you like to go to New York or Moscow? Not a hard choice, really. Just kinda amusing how things went from the shining city upon a hill to we are sorta better than Russia. It's just funny, when you put those sales pitches next to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gorn said: It's not the Cold War anymore, and Russia is not "leftist" in any meaningful way. US with a Democratic administration is far more leftist than Putin's Russia. Yeah, but that's again managing expectations. Very few things are less leftist than Putin's Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Okay. To be clear. I am simply talking about the USA's habit of shitting themselves whenever a nation on their doorstep elects anything remotely resembling a socialist government. No matter whether Russia are left or right, it is extremely unlikley they would invade a nation such as, let's say, Venezuela, in order to steal their oil and/or remove the lefties. The same cannot be said of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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