MCU: KEVIN's world

[RumHam]

1 hour ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

Or overusing bad CGI. I love it when it's there and you don't realize it because it's done well. Check out the VFX reel for season 1 of The Terror. It's amazing just how much of that show wasn't practical effects.

You're telling me that wasn't a real polar bear?

Between that, Prey and Cocaine Bear it seems CGI bears are hard to do well. 

[polishgenius]

38 minutes ago, RumHam said:

Between that, Prey and Cocaine Bear it seems CGI bears are hard to do well. 

Yeah, practical all the way

 

 

[RumHam]

If he hadn't died, poor Bart the Bear would be out of work. 

[williamjm]

4 hours ago, Heartofice said:

I think we do have to give at least some credit to the stuff that had been laid down before the Russos got involved, even if they just took it to another level.

I think the first Avengers film deserves a lot of credit for being the first time it really felt like a series of films that was more than the sum of its parts, and I think at the time it was one of the best superhero films around. In retrospect, it doesn't entirely fit with later films in terms of plot (particularly Thanos' plans), some of the characterisation is a bit off (Loki seems a different character to his other appearances) and feels a bit lightweight compared to the Russos films but I think it's still the highlight of the phase 1 films.

By comparison, Age of Ultra had potential but ended up a a mess.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

4 hours ago, RumHam said:

You're telling me that wasn't a real polar bear?

Between that, Prey and Cocaine Bear it seems CGI bears are hard to do well. 

The one in Prey wasn't too bad. Tuunbaq had an uncanny valley thing going on for other reasons. 

I'm talking about the environments and some of the sets. The carnival scene where everything gets set on fire, including the guy, had a lot of CGI. I could have sworn a good bit of that was practical.

3 hours ago, polishgenius said:

Yeah, practical all the way

How could you miss this?

2 hours ago, williamjm said:

I think the first Avengers film deserves a lot of credit for being the first time it really felt like a series of films that was more than the sum of its parts, and I think at the time it was one of the best superhero films around. In retrospect, it doesn't entirely fit with later films in terms of plot (particularly Thanos' plans), some of the characterisation is a bit off (Loki seems a different character to his other appearances) and feels a bit lightweight compared to the Russos films but I think it's still the highlight of the phase 1 films.

By comparison, Age of Ultra had potential but ended up a a mess.

Yeah, totally. I definitely got the hype. I remember going into Avengers thinking,  "Please don't be League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Please don't be League of Extraordinary Gentlemen." 

I have a more personal connection to Age of Ultron, so I can't hate on that movie too much. But yeah, aside from a few great scenes, it was kind of disappointing.  

[baxus]

13 hours ago, Myrddin said:

Exactly. Most of the earlier movies were decent to good. Russos elevated the story and character work to where I was truly impressed, and they were able to keep building to the amazing culmination in Endgame.

I was thoroughly disappointed by Endgame. I remember seeing Infinity War and thinking "How are they going to fix things? They better not go with time travel." Time travel and (bringing people back from the dead) is just lazy writing. How many times has that been done and how many times has it been done well?

Infinity War and Endgame were the PERFECT time to make the switch to new Avengers. Have some of the old Avengers go away in the Snap, have some of them help setup the new team and give them a heroic death fighting Thanos (like they did with Iron Man and Black Widow), and you have a clean slate. You can even keep one or two of them around in a mentor role for the "kids" and phase them out slowly. Have the heroes mourn the losses, lick their wounds and carry on with the story.

[Heartofice]

13 hours ago, Kalnestk Oblast said:

And I really disagree. The tone and style of the Russo movies compared with what came first really was different. I guess the main value is the action comedy kind of thing which Iron Man and then Avengers really set up - but otherwise the tone of, say, Thor 1 or even Iron Man 2 is very, very different from Winter Soldier/Civil War, and Winter Soldier/Civil War are a lot closer to IW/Endgame. 

Well I agree that the tone is different in the Russo's movies. It's more serious, it's more adult, its closer to a 'proper' thriller movie than the previous movies. There is no consistent tone with what came before because they are all different movies. 

My point is that the Russo's movies didn't come about in a vacuum, it built on what was there before and improved on it, in some cases quite a bit. I just don't think we can completely dismiss the phase one movies or retrospectively compare them to the Russo's work and think they are shit, because when they came out, in comparison to what had happened in the past with superhero movies, they were quite decent.

The phase one movies did actually set up the three main characters of the Avengers, they gave us Tony Stark, Thor and Cap. I don't really think those characters massively changed as the movies went on in the grand scheme of things, in some cases they were given more depth and the situations they were put in were more interesting, but most of what we have of those characters is Phase one stuff. For instance Avengers set up that tension between Cap and Iron man that was used in Civil War and made it more interesting, but that didn't come out of nowhere. 

Even the tone of something like Winter Soldier, which I grant is different, is not a million miles away from what had come before. There is still the quipping, the balance of humour and action. Its all more grounded sure. But given the scope of what the phase one movies could have been, it's clearly just a step up from what was previously there.

Imagine a world where Phase one movies were grim dark torture porn directed by Zach Snyder, where Tony Stark is a humourless violent alcoholic wife beater.. any subsequent movies would need to be very different and we would have gotten a totally different Phase 3 (it would never have gotten that far)

[sifth]

11 hours ago, Heartofice said:

Imagine a world where Phase one movies were grim dark torture porn directed by Zach Snyder, where Tony Stark is a humourless violent alcoholic wife beater.. any subsequent movies would need to be very different and we would have gotten a totally different Phase 3 (it would never have gotten that far)

Truth be told Captain America The First Avenger is such a strange movie for me. I absolutely love, the first half of the movie, but feel like things kind of fall apart in the second half. It's weird as f#$king, but the moment Steve no longer becomes the underdog, I have a harder time relating with him. Also ironically enough, the horrible CGI during the car chase at the end of that film, reminded me of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow................a movie probably only 20 people on the planet remember, lol

That being said, I love the post credit scene for that film. It's easily one of Marvels best.

[Myrddin]

9 hours ago, baxus said:

I was thoroughly disappointed by Endgame. I remember seeing Infinity War and thinking "How are they going to fix things? They better not go with time travel." Time travel and (bringing people back from the dead) is just lazy writing. How many times has that been done and how many times has it been done well?

Since the time travel created a whole other mess (Thanos - again but with larger army), it worked for me. Just the way the final battle played out was perfect. Ironman, Cap and Thor facing down Thanos. Then Cap standing alone. Then the portal scene. Chaos. Snap.

What a satisfying culmination of a 20+ movie saga. Time travel cop out aside, I wouldn't change it.

[SpaceChampion]

Set photos, mainly a poster on a church wall that read 2020 on it, for Daredevil: Born Again is suggestive the show is set during the Snap.  That could explain why they didn't bring Foggy and Karen back.

Either that or it's a brief flashblack.

 

[DaveSumm]

My money would be on flashback.

[DaveSumm]

4 hours ago, Myrddin said:

What a satisfying culmination of a 20+ movie saga. Time travel cop out aside, I wouldn't change it.

Let’s not forget, the time travel wasn’t a cop out in anything like the way it usually would be; they don’t undo anything, everything still happened and the world had to suffer with 50% population for five years. All they did was steal some stuff.

I loved it. I can’t think of a more hyped film (OK maybe Phantom Menace) and for it to be widely accepted as fantastic is pretty astonishing considering. 

[polishgenius]

21 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

can’t think of a more hyped film

I can think of three films to rule them all

 

 

 

But anyway yeah I do agree with you about the cop-out and not really being. The Snap was always going to be undone, whatever the method. Choosing time-travel to do it had nothing to do with being the easiest way- in fact they had to go out of their way to shut out other methods within the film itself, by destroying the current Stones. 

The reason they used time travel was purely and only so they could get self-referential and self-reflective about it.

 

My only real complaint with Endgame was that the actual time-travel part was a complete mess pacing-wise. Like I'm not against movies fucking with the three-act structure, it's not sacred, but what this was was a three-act structure where the middle act was several concurrently-running short stories each with their own internal structure and pacing. 

 

The finale fucking nailed it though.

 

 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

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Interesting.

[Winterfell is Burning]

If you thought the MCU had problems before, wait until you read this.

Of course, might be possible he's innocent, but doesn't look good.

[sifth]

3 minutes ago, Winterfell is Burning said:

If you thought the MCU had problems before, wait until you read this.

Of course, might be possible he's innocent, but doesn't look good.

I suppose he’s easy to recast if the worst should come. Not every variant has to look the same.

[BigFatCoward]

They could make a crossover where the Flash and Kang have at it. 

[SpaceChampion]

22 hours ago, Winterfell is Burning said:

If you thought the MCU had problems before, wait until you read this.

Of course, might be possible he's innocent, but doesn't look good.

Charges dropped after his legal team provided video evidence, witnesses provided testimony, and the woman recanted.

[IlyaP]

12 minutes ago, SpaceChampion said:

Charges dropped after his legal team provided video evidence, witnesses provided testimony, and the woman recanted.

Not seeing any news report of charges officially being dropped yet?

[Winterfell is Burning]

2 minutes ago, IlyaP said:

Not seeing any news report of charges officially being dropped yet?

So far, I've only seen his lawyer saying this. Mind you, not saying he's guilty or innocent, since I don't know.