UK Politics: who's in charge today?

[The Anti-Targ]

5 hours ago, Zorral said:

 

The one mistake I think many are making is that for the trickle down proponents trickle down was never meant to work, it was just meant to be an idea that could be sold to the masses as something that sounds like it should / would work. But actually having wealth transfer down the food chain in any meaningful way is simply intolerable to the 0.1%. 

[Spockydog]

10 hours ago, Pebble thats Stubby said:

considering the majority of Tory party members chose Truss just a few weeks ago, I'm not sure their judgement is to be relied upon as to what makes a good PM.

They might as well just save everybody a lot of time and give it to Jonathan Gullis.

[Raja]

She's not well

[The Anti-Targ]

Being in opposition seems to come with so much power one wonders why Labour and the Lib Dems would need to bother trying to become govt. They've got everything under control where they are as it is.

Mapo Tofu is delicious. Jus' sayin'.

[karaddin]

4 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

Being in opposition seems to come with so much power one wonders why Labour and the Lib Dems would need to bother trying to become govt. They've got everything under control where they are as it is.

Mapo Tofu is delicious. Jus' sayin'.

Truly astonishing the amount of resources that get wasted on trying to get elected when this is the case. The Tories should just sit back and relax and coast their way to a tiny minority opposition...majority? Ruling coalition?

[Derfel Cadarn]

Heh

 

[Heartofice]

The only positive from all this mess is that Truss has finally put to bed the idea that an economy, specifically the British economy can be built off of endless borrowing at historically low interest levels and that is in any way sustainable. The thinking was that QE wasn't inflationary.. except if you look at housing and stock prices! All the chickens are coming home to roost now, Truss has just ushered the last chicken in! 

The problem for any government now is going to be how they will pay for everything whilst also being fiscally responsible, because some level of book balancing is going to happen, taxes are going to have to go up, there probably will have to be cuts. 

In the long term, maybe this will all be a warning that the last 15 have been a dangerous experiment that is essentially bollocks and we won't repeat the same mistakes. Unlikely though. 

[Derfel Cadarn]

3 line tory whip apparently being enforced re the fracking vote. This coukd be pretty bad regardless of how it goes; if Tories vote against it (as it remaining banned was in the 2019 manifesto or because their constituents oppose it) then it will be another blow to Truss. If they vote for it, their voters wont be happy.

 

[The Anti-Targ]

If the threat is real and it really is a confidence vote then essentially it should mean Truss calls an election if she loses. I assume this is not what any Tory really wants, except for ND, since so many stand to lose their place in the public trough. It seems reasonably clear that a majority of Tory MPs would like to see Truss gone, but they don't want to be gone with her. Self preservation should win the day I think. Whatever it takes to keep one's nose in the trough until a GE is mandated by the law.

[Which Tyler]

So a 3 line whip, and no excuses (including being out of the country ALA Boris) to explicitly break a manifesto promise.

 

I'm pretty sure confidence motions are phrased more along the lines of "the current government commands the confidence of the house" rather than "we explicitly oppose our own manifesto promise"

[Spockydog]

14 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

If the threat is real and it really is a confidence vote then essentially it should mean Truss calls an election if she loses. 

It's not, and she won't.

 

[maarsen]

13 hours ago, Heartofice said:

True, but it’s also not like it was some great win for democracy either. Truss and Kwarteng came up with a mad plan that scared the shit out of the markets and it was essentially the markets that did for them. There wasn’t any sort of popular uprising or triumph for the ballot box and we are unlikely to now have anything very much better either. 

Markets,like Soylent Green, are made of people.

[BigFatCoward]

Pensions (to shore up their core vote) will rise in line with inflation. No mention of other benefits so I suppose all the poor young people can get fucked. 

[mormont]

Well, pensions were going to be protected, then they weren't, now they are again. Still time for the government to change its mind. Again.

But yeah, some of the poorest people in our society will yet again be asked to skip meals so we don't have to tax the rich. Because somehow the latter is worse than the former?

[Derfel Cadarn]

 

[Derfel Cadarn]

Burn!

 

[BigFatCoward]

8 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said:

Burn!

 

Debates between the 2 of them are going to be hilarious. The gulf in intellect is like nothing ever seen before. And she can't even bluster and waffle like BJ, she is as devoid of charisma as she is intelligence. 

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

17 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Oh the US is tittering on fascism with people in government loudly proclaiming democracy to be evil, and the sexual minorities are coming to rape your kids, and immigration is a plot to kill the white race etc.

Maybe the UK catches up in a few years though.

God… I hope not.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

1 hour ago, BigFatCoward said:

Pensions (to shore up their core vote) will rise in line with inflation. No mention of other benefits so I suppose all the poor young people can get fucked. 

Young people in general are being fucked by their governments.

[Which Tyler]