Gorn Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makk Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Ever since Putin ordered 25,000 troops into an area Russia couldn't effectively supply it has always seemed like a win/win situation for the Ukranians. Either Russian troops would gradually attrition down or they would have to pull back letting Ukraine liberate Kherson and gain an important strategical position. Somehow Russia seems to be turning it into a DOUBLE win for Ukraine giving them both upsides at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 could be hell to pay if Russian state media is forced to publicly acknowledge losses of this magnitude. Lots and lots of seriously unhappy new recruits. Do they have weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arakasi Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 They have AK-47s. They have old tanks. They have howitzers and plenty of shells. That’s about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalnak the Magnificent Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 An arty commander I follow said artillery have 4 kinds of firing styles - 1. Harassment 2. Suppression 3. Destruction 4. Annihilation Per reports Ukraine went from stage 1(probably to gauge if there was any xounterbattery fire) to 4 in a blink. This is going to be a very gruesome display of massed firepower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkerX Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Arakasi said: They have AK-47s. They have old tanks. They have howitzers and plenty of shells. That’s about it. Given the horrific casualties in Ukraine, and the fact (?) that the majority (?) of those recruits did not want to be in the military this time around, it becomes legit to ask which way those weapons will be aimed, and what the other side (Russia State Security?) will be able to muster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Hmn. Sound all around. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loge Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 39 minutes ago, JGP said: Hmn. Sound all around. I like it. Well.the WSJ article actually says the ammo won't go to Ukraine. Apparently it is to replace US-made ammo from the US's stockpiles that has been or will be sent to Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 There seems to be a feeling among Ukrainian commentators that the Russian plan/"trap" was to basically fortify the Dnipro to prevent Ukraine from crossing and then attack NE out of Zaporizhzhia, possibly to cut off the Donbas. That's why Ukraine has been keeping up the pressure all along the Zaporizhzhia front since the counter-offensive started two months ago. Cutting off the Donbas would give Russia flexibility to declare victory on those lines or even engage in high-level diplomacy to secure Ukrainian recognition of the Donbas and Crimea, possibly in return for withdrawal from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. However, this plan appears to have evaporated because the forces - particularly heavy equipment - Russia needed to withdraw intact from Kherson appears to have gone up in smoke. They may be trying to make up for that with Iranian supplies, but there is a debate on whether Iran can supply the quantities they need. There now seems to be some speculation in Ukraine that the extra/third battle group Ukraine possibly has available for offensive operations (spearheaded by the 10,000 troops recently trained in the UK and thousands more in Poland and the Baltics, minus the reinforcements sent to the Belarusian frontier) could go on the offensive in Zaporizhzhia. Gorn, Arakasi and Padraig 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Photos emerging of Ukrainian flags in downtown kherson. Makes me very happy. SpaceChampion, The hairy bear, Matrim Fox Cauthon and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Maithanet said: Photos emerging of Ukrainian flags in downtown kherson. Makes me very happy. Slava Ukraini!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Looking at the live map, I can't imagine there are many Russian soldiers left on the west bank of the Dniepro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Maithanet said: Photos emerging of Ukrainian flags in downtown kherson. I don't believe anything until I have seen a flag flying from the roof of Kherson TechnoHouse. Wilbur and Corvinus85 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Video from inside Kherson Which Tyler, Corvinus85, JGP and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Whew -- really? O please, yes! Could this actually be a week in which decent people can have some joy? This, inflation seeming to have hit peak, our midterms giving us the "Never has not turning as out as bad as we thought felt so good." Somehow, the three feel related. Though I'm probably centering, wrongly, the US here? Ser Scot A Ellison, Wade1865 and Arakasi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padraig Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I was wondering only a week or two ago whether things had finally come almost to a halt. Russia was back grinding its way marginally forward around Bakhmut, while there wasn't much else going. But Ukraine clearly had a strategy around Kherson city. They knew Russia's position on the west side of the Dnipro was not sustainable. They just had to be patient. Congrats. Its a big moment, which have been in development for months now. I wonder will Ukraine do something surprising next or will the focus now return to Donetsk and Luhansk. But that's a question for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 At least one Russian TV reporter has gone to Full Snark mode, pointing out that if he supports the Defence Minister's decision to leave Kherson, he's agreeing with the territorial violation of Russian soil, which carries a prison sentence, but if he disagrees with it, he's disagreeing with a governmental decision which also carries a prison sentence. So he's just shutting the fuck up about it. Matrim Fox Cauthon, Gorn, JGP and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Zorral said: This, inflation seeming to have hit peak, our midterms giving us the "Never has not turning as out as bad as we thought felt so good." Somehow, the three feel related. Well, like Biden, I find it quite interesting they waited til right after the midterms to pull out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Chomsky and Mearsheimer will be crying into their beer, right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, DMC said: like Biden, I find it quite interesting they waited til right after the midterms to pull out. Indeed. As finding it quite interesting "They" / Media waiting until then to write big stories about inflation starting to ease. -- that it was happening, more jobs were being had and the economy had grown. Nor does Hannity have any idea as to where the idea there was going to be a red tsunami came from, or who pushed it. Wade1865 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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