mormont Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 The last thing we need is to make an unelected chamber more effective. Don't mistake outcomes you like for evidence that a bad system is a good system. The Lords is a bad system. The continual expansion of the Lords as successive PMs try to create a House that does what they want is evidence of that. If we need a revising chamber, it should be an elected and accountable one. Expertise from people who do not need to worry about elections is what you have a civil service for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, mormont said: Don't mistake outcomes you like for evidence that a bad system is a good system. True. People can point to “benevolent” dictators who were popular and expanded what can be perceived as prosperity. That’s still an abominable system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 24 minutes ago, mormont said: The last thing we need is to make an unelected chamber more effective. Yeah, that's why I said there's no justifiable way to make that happen without elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, polishgenius said: Yeah, that's why I said there's no justifiable way to make that happen without elections. So do you want the lords appointed by elected representatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: So do you want the lords appointed by elected representatives? 2 hours ago, polishgenius said: I feel like the only viable way to do it and keep some of that detachment from the pressure of the day would be really long terms. Possibly something like ten-year terms, with a term limit of two, maybe three, and staggered elections third-by-third, so that only a third of the chamber would be looking towards imminent re-election at any given moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrosh Lannister Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 How is Rishi compared to Boris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Derfel Cadarn Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Tyrosh Lannister said: How is Rishi compared to Boris? Better, in the same way a slap to the face is better than a boot to the balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 9 hours ago, mormont said: The last thing we need is to make an unelected chamber more effective. Don't mistake outcomes you like for evidence that a bad system is a good system. The Lords is a bad system. The continual expansion of the Lords as successive PMs try to create a House that does what they want is evidence of that. If we need a revising chamber, it should be an elected and accountable one. Expertise from people who do not need to worry about elections is what you have a civil service for. Also the House of Lords DEPENDS from monarchy. That's the only way to get rid of it, is to get rid of the monarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 18 hours ago, Tyrosh Lannister said: How is Rishi compared to Boris? You know what in a no holds bar street fight I think Boris wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrosh Lannister Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: You know what in a no holds bar street fight I think Boris wins. What would he do, sit on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 14 hours ago, Tyrosh Lannister said: What would he do, sit on him? I feel like he’d go dirty more quickly and like try biting Rishi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Small room and Boris farting Sunak into submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 There was a mass shoot in targeting a lgbt bar in America yesterday on trans Remembrance Day. Terfs can’t let up their transphobia just for a moment to feign solidarity/sympathy with trans people and call transphobia bad. I think Rowling three years ago would have at least done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: I feel like he’d go dirty more quickly and like try biting Rishi. You mean you think he'd start by fighting clean? Boris would have been the school bully, the only compunction he'd have about starting a fight dirty is if it was actually 1 on 1 - and even then, Sunak would have been the school nerd, and never have stood a chance against Boris. Gove would have been the one coming up with the psychological forms of school bullying. JRM the creepy kid, pulling the wings off flies etc, who the bullies were scared of. You just know he'd go completely psycho and probably bite your nose off if you pushed him too far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 11/21/2022 at 5:28 AM, Varysblackfyre321 said: You know what in a no holds bar street fight I think Boris wins. Without question. Johnson once full-strength rugby-battered a kid during a school visit to discuss PE, and I don't think Sunak is much bigger than that kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Werthead said: Without question. Johnson once full-strength rugby-battered a kid during a school visit to discuss PE, and I don't think Sunak is much bigger than that kid. It was a good soak tackle though - and more successful than Catt on Lomu Shoulder to face though, would be a straight red if it was the tackler's shoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Corrupt Eurosceptic Brexiteer ex MP, on the record for demanding that the UK scrap its adherence to European Human Rights legislation, is suing the UK government in the European Court of Human Rights for "damaging his good reputation", by not scrapping the Standards Commission when they caught him out in his corruption and recommended his suspension as an MP. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63714944 Epic trolling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Which Tyler said: It was a good soak tackle though - and more successful than Catt on Lomu Shoulder to face though, would be a straight red if it was the tackler's shoulder It looks bad but if you put sigma music… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63707941 “We must wean economy off immigration, Labour leader warns businesses“ This proclamation seems idiotic move to the type of Brexiters who are increasingly becoming a minority now and will probably vote Tory because other culture war nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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